How do you feel about atheists?

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MrEmpiricism said:
It is applying the law of cause and effect (an observation that as far as we know may only hold to this universe) to that which lies outwith it.
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Why don’t you stop thinking of it as an observable law and think of it as a philosophical principle?

Kind of like the law of non-contradiction.

Are you of the opinion that the law of non-contradiction could be violated (or not a law) outside this universe?
 
PRmerger said:
Why don’t you stop thinking of it as an observable law and think of it as a philosophical principle?

Kind of like the law of non-contradiction.

Are you of the opinion that the law of non-contradiction could be violated (or not a law) only in this universe?
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No because non contraction is one of the logical absolutes, cause and effect it not. If you can demonstrate otherwise I am all ears. It doesn’t really matter how I would like to think about it, all that matters is the way things are.
 
MrEmpiricism said:
No because non contraction is one of the logical absolutes, cause and effect it not. If you can demonstrate otherwise I am all ears. It doesn’t really matter how I would like to think about it, all that matters is the way things are.
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I think that whatever begins to exist must have a cause is indeed a logical absolute.
 
**Mr. Empiricism ** do you feel like your missing something (emotionally . . . etc.) because you don’t have the faith that we do? I mean no disrespect by asking you this question, I’m just curious.
 
MrEmpiricism said:
No arguments from ignorance are not my thing. Btw I currently have journal paper undergoing peer review the covers the science of beauty, you are incorrect in your assumption that we do not understand it.
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Then to be consistent(using the criteria for your rejecting god) you must also reject Beauty and love. Must be very romantic dating an atheist . “Oh baby the chemicals just kicked in making me attracted to you. Should we kiss again and see if the lust chemicals kick in”?
 
PRmerger said:
I think that whatever begins to exist must have a cause is indeed a logical absolute.
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And let’s consider this: matter didn’t exist. Then it existed. Something that was NOT matter would have had to cause matter to form.

Space didn’t exist. Then it existed. Something that was NOT space would have had to cause space to exist.

Time didn’t exist. Then it existed. Something that was NOT time would have had to cause time to exist.

Energy didn’t exist. Then it existed. Something that was NOT energy would have had to cause energy to exist.
 
josie_L said:
**Mr. Empiricism **do you feel like your missing something (emotionally . . . etc.) because you don’t have the faith that we do? I mean no disrespect by asking you this question, I’m just curious.
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I believe the only faith we are seeing is faith in the peer review process.
 
PRmerger said:
I think that whatever begins to exist must have a cause is indeed a logical absolute.
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That’s fine if you want to think that, but you can’t rewrite the logical absolutes in order to support your argument. Cause and effect is not a logical absolute, that is a simple fact.
 
josie_L said:
**Mr. Empiricism ** do you feel like your missing something (emotionally . . . etc.) because you don’t have the faith that we do? I mean no disrespect by asking you this question, I’m just curious.
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I feel it is a doubled edge sword. Yes i am missing something people of faith have, however i also have some thing they don’t.

PS not disrespect taken, it is a very interesting question.
 
estesbob said:
Then to be consistent(using the criteria for your rejecting god) you must also reject Beauty and love. Must be very romantic dating an atheist . “Oh baby the chemicals just kicked in making me attracted to you. Should we kiss again and see if the lust chemicals kick in”?
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The emotion is the exact same, we simply not agree on the source.
 
PRmerger said:
And let’s consider this: matter didn’t exist. Then it existed. Something that was NOT matter would have had to cause matter to form.

Space didn’t exist. Then it existed. Something that was NOT space would have had to cause space to exist.

Time didn’t exist. Then it existed. Something that was NOT time would have had to cause time to exist.

Energy didn’t exist. Then it existed. Something that was NOT energy would have had to cause energy to exist.
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Inductive reasoning may suggest some of the above, but you CAN NOT demonstrate it. BTW are you aware that the exact energy content of the universe is ZERO.
 
josie_L said:
**Mr. Empiricism ** do you feel like your missing something (emotionally . . . etc.) because you don’t have the faith that we do? I mean no disrespect by asking you this question, I’m just curious.
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All atheists are missing something vital…and that is Jesus Christ, His love and mercy. :signofcross:
 
PRmerger said:
And let’s consider this: matter didn’t exist. Then it existed. Something that was NOT matter would have had to cause matter to form.

Space didn’t exist. Then it existed. Something that was NOT space would have had to cause space to exist.

Time didn’t exist. Then it existed. Something that was NOT time would have had to cause time to exist.

Energy didn’t exist. Then it existed. Something that was NOT energy would have had to cause energy to exist.
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Right on, PR. And the sum total energy of the universe (“positive” energy + “negative” energy) is irrelevant to the necessity of God’s existence, since He is outside of space, outside of time. The perfect balance of energy in the universe is, though, by definition perfection, and perfection can only be of God. 'Nuff said!::extrahappy::tiphat:
 
PRmerger said:
What is that which you have which people of faith don’t?
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Many things…

Clearly i think you accept something that is wrong for a start. You also have the worry of hell, not really for you as an individual, but i can’t imagine how worrying it must be for you contemplation loved ones going to hell. You also have thought of eternal life hanging over you, something the horrifies me so much i am so glad there is no evidence that it is true. You also have the fact that that your faith stifles many discussion and interactions. For example established facts being banned topics worries me. That is no path to truth.
 
estesbob said:
I believe the only faith we are seeing is faith in the peer review process.
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Peer review and the scientific method has utterly transformed our lives, i do not need faith to observe the impact of science.
 
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