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mariahloves
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So for a sin to be mortal it has to be serious matter, full consent, full knowledge so, how do you know if a sin is serious or not?
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thistle
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Abu
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Please study the CCC #1854 - 1864.
Grave matter (#1858) is specified by the Ten Commandments.
Grave matter (#1858) is specified by the Ten Commandments.
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JRKH
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We are Told that Loving God with all of our being is the greatest commandment and goal of our existance.
Sin - Any sin - is an offence against that Love.
So ask yourself -
How large must a sin be to be a “grave offence” agianst the one whom I Love with all of my being?
I Love my Wife dearly. If I offend her, even in a small way, and even accidentally, I feel horrible. Because of my Love for my wife, even a “small offence” is “grave matter” to me.
She forgives and forgets easily(always has), but that does not change how I feel about my failure to Love her as she deserves.
If we can feel this repentant about a small hurt against an earthy love, how much more should we desire not to offend our Heavenly Love - even in small ways.
A Truly Mortal sin must always start with a knowledgable and defiant rejection of God and God’s grace.
Sins, large or small, God stands ready to forgive.
Peace
James
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puzzleannie
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you form your conscience in light of God’s universal law summarized in the 10 commandments and with the mind and heart of the Church He established. You make it your business to seek out solid faith formation on matters of conscience and ask your confessor to recommend a source for a good examination of conscience.
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Bookcat
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I cannot recommend this guide in toto…
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Bookcat
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Fornication
Lying under oath before God
Grave Calumny
Idolatry
Adultery
Lust
Masterbation
Homosexual acts
Pornography
Serious Theft
Drunkenness to the point of loss of reason
Abortion
Euthanasia
Deliberate failure of the Sunday obligation or Holy Day to attend Mass (without justifying reason)
Grave Scandal
etc
examples of grave matter
1858 Grave matter is specified by the Ten Commandments, corresponding to the answer of Jesus to the rich young man: "Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Do not defraud, Honor your father and your mother."132 …
So there is something under each of them
put the words ‘grave sin’ and later do "grave’-- in this search engine…scborromeo.org/ccc.htm
a number of things in the ccc are actually noted as grave …or when they become grave…
Ones conscience…once formed well…will also be able to judge that something is grave…for instance that some particular thing is gravely against justice …
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Cristian_B
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Every sin, no matter how you call it (venial/mortal) is a very grave offense to the Lord, because He died for every one of them. You shouldn’t worry which one is as serious sin because all are serious and the price of sin is death, no matter how small it is.
So this question of yours makes no sense.
So this question of yours makes no sense.
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JRKH
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I agree with you to a certain extent but please remember that, in the Catholic Church there are distinctions made and are addressed in the various documents referenced above. So the question makes perfect sense on a Catholic answer board and within the context of Catholic teaching.
Peace
James
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Bookcat
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yes all sin offends God…
We must follow Christ and this involves avoiding sins…
but there is a big difference between stealing a pack of gum and killing ones next door neighbor with a gun.
Even John points out that there are sins that lead to death…and other sin that is NOT deadly …not mortal ( 1 John 5:17)
yes avoid sins…but we can not avoid all venial sins all together (for we are weak and lots of things come at us in life) without a very special grace from God…but certainly avoid all mortal sin!
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kage_ar
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EXACTLY!!!
As parents, we have a serious responsibility to aid our children in this.
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Cristian_B
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All sin leads to death, directly of indirectly. Sin is the transgression of the Law, and the Law is love, therefore if something does not come from Love is sin.
My point is that we shouldn’t be ignorant towards sins that have smaller consequences (of the moment), like stealing a a pack of gum.
To a true Christian all sin is detestable to him, even our own life, if it contains sin. This is why Christ said that if one doesn’t hate his own life He can’t come to Him. He was referring to a life of sin.
We can avoid venial sins, but we won’t because we are weak. We don’t have a strong will. Maybe if people would just see how much Christ suffered because someone decided to lie ‘for fun’ or to steal ‘for fun’ something then perhaps they would be more decided not to sin.
So we should be worried and decided to avoid sin at all cost, even if it is a venial sin. We should avoid a venial sin as much as we would avoid a mortal sin, because Christ died because of both types of sin, and not mortal sins only.
This is why I don’t believe sins are divided in mortal and venial, but I used the Catholic division of sin just to make my point clear: we should avoid ‘venial’ sins just as we would avoid ‘mortal’ sin; we should hate ‘venial’ sins just as we hate ‘mortal’ sins. Even if the consequences differ, they are an abomination. Even if the consequences between killing and telling a lie differ, they are both abominations to the Lord.
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Bookcat
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Of course we should seek to avoid venial sins as well…but it is the case that while we can avoid each venial sin that we are tempted …there will be venial sins in the life of the Christian–which he should repent too of course!
But to collapse the distinction in scripture is not the way to go. It makes murder and gum stealing both serious. Which is simply not the case. Though no one should steal gum either…and deliberate venial sins can even lead one to mortal…
Paul is very clear …there are those sins that exclude one from the Kingdom of God if not repented…and John notes there are sins that do not lead to death …are not mortal (his words )
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Detales
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The unfailing guide for what is “serious” is the same as for drama: what is at stake? IN other words, what are the consequences of your actions? Most people are not competent to assess these properly, as evident by the common opinions about things prevalent in the world today. But that is why many rules were made. Unfortunately, rules, even religious rules, tend to be inadequate for many situations. That may even be why you are asking the question. You see, many rules are open to the part of us that wants to be a lawyer with Truth. And Truth is only seen dimly by most anyway. And again, many of the day-to-day rules were put upon us for less than holy reasons, like the Pope who had a friend in the Roman fish market, which is why we have meatless Fridays. And similar things hold for many of the ways the Church regards sexuality and reproduction. If you think about it as a matter of Church history and the mind set of many who have made these rules we unquestioningly accept, you will see why.
This is why there is really only one way to determine what is “serious.” That would be to engage the Great Injunction as said to be invoked by Iusu. He was said to admonish us with “Thou shalt love the Lord, thy God, with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
This is, and always has been the Law. But few understand what it is based on. Simply put it is this: unless you feel in your gut that the “other” IS yourself, there is the separation that can lead to wrong judgment and error. Note that all serious sins, crimes, evildoing, is done by someone who regards the victim as someone else. They can do to someone else anything they wish if they have labeled that some as “not me.” That is the root of epithets, racism, profiling, and the manes we call our enemies who have things we want, so we can kill them.
So, if you are considering and act as serious or not, can you turn it around and see if you would like to be the recipient of your act if the tables were turned? How mature and honest can you be with yourself, and how well do yoiu know yourself and others? Why do yu suppose it says on the temple: Gnothi Seauton? Know ThySelf. If you know yourSelf, you know the “other” and will not sin against him.
This also means Love. Many people on our spaceship live on less than $1 a day, a week, or a month. And there are others who make indoor ski slopes in the desert and don’t know what to do next for themselves with their money. And we support these people by buying their stuff for our own comfort and convenience.
This is why there is really only one way to determine what is “serious.” That would be to engage the Great Injunction as said to be invoked by Iusu. He was said to admonish us with “Thou shalt love the Lord, thy God, with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.”
This is, and always has been the Law. But few understand what it is based on. Simply put it is this: unless you feel in your gut that the “other” IS yourself, there is the separation that can lead to wrong judgment and error. Note that all serious sins, crimes, evildoing, is done by someone who regards the victim as someone else. They can do to someone else anything they wish if they have labeled that some as “not me.” That is the root of epithets, racism, profiling, and the manes we call our enemies who have things we want, so we can kill them.
So, if you are considering and act as serious or not, can you turn it around and see if you would like to be the recipient of your act if the tables were turned? How mature and honest can you be with yourself, and how well do yoiu know yourself and others? Why do yu suppose it says on the temple: Gnothi Seauton? Know ThySelf. If you know yourSelf, you know the “other” and will not sin against him.
This also means Love. Many people on our spaceship live on less than $1 a day, a week, or a month. And there are others who make indoor ski slopes in the desert and don’t know what to do next for themselves with their money. And we support these people by buying their stuff for our own comfort and convenience.
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JRKH
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(Bolding mine)
In much of this, not just the bolded parts, you are very much in line with the mystic Doctors of the Church such as St. Teresa of Avila, St John of the Cross, St Catherine of Sienna, St Therese of Liseaux and others.
Peace
James
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Abu
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The above is a regrettable example of the confusion which exists when there is no infallible authority outside of Christ’s Church. Even many Catholics are confused, unneccesarily.
The original question has and should be asked, and correctly answered as is in the CCC #1858; the listing in post #7 by Bookcat is helpful. Avoiding the occasions of sin and advice on aids to holiness are sound and wise as long as the Magisterium is heeded and obeyed. Venial sin does NOT mean damnation, without repentance.
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Abu
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The reason for the confusion over the seriousness of venial and mortal sin is the lack of assent to the Magisterium established by Christ and, for some, not having the complete Bible.
The Book of Machabees teaches that “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins.” (2 Macc 12:46)
But the NT has: “Not all sin is deadly.” (1 Jn 5:17), and “Nothing defiled shall enter heaven.” (Rev 21:27).
So what is missing in the confusion is the doctrine of Purgatory, which is why Catholics pray for the departed.
The Book of Machabees teaches that “It is a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead that they may be loosed from their sins.” (2 Macc 12:46)
But the NT has: “Not all sin is deadly.” (1 Jn 5:17), and “Nothing defiled shall enter heaven.” (Rev 21:27).
So what is missing in the confusion is the doctrine of Purgatory, which is why Catholics pray for the departed.
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Abu
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Please reread the Sacred Scripture in post #18. Then look at the foundation of Christ’s Church on Peter the Rock, with His authority to bind and loose.
You have absolutely no authority for your false conclusion.
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