How Do You Know Your Interpretation Is Correct?

[Cinette]

Surrendering to Him, and following Him.

Judas ate the Eucharist and still betrayed Him the reality is the Eucharist is something we do in remembrance of Him, because this is a sign of our covenant with Him, and participating in it, means we accept Him (not always though) , and He knows our hearts He knows if we are just merely eating bread and wine, or really eating from Him. Eating from Him spiritually is what counts

The things of the spirit are symbolical? No. Understand it the spirit is more real than your flesh itself.

*Peter was at the Transfiguration and still betrayed Jesus three times!

Yet, Jesus still gave Peter the Keys of the Kingdom and made him his representative here on earth! He said feed my lambs, Feed my sheep - three times!

Can you figure out Jesus?

 

[Pitcharan]

*I think that it is not such as a lack of understanding as a lack of Faith. To accept the Eucharist, one must do so by Faith.

Cinette*

Try defining Faith without any aid or reference and you will find the answer

 

[dosdog]

Try defining Faith without any aid or reference and you will find the answer

Eucharistic Miracle
Lanciano, Italy 8th Century A.D.

I in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in Chemistry and Clinical Microscopy. He was assisted by Prof. Ruggero Bertelli of the University of Siena.

The analyses were conducted with absolute and unquestionable scientific precision and they were documented with a series of microscopic photographs.
These analyses sustained the following conclusions:

* The Flesh is real Flesh. The Blood is real Blood.

* The Flesh and the Blood belong to the human species.

* The Flesh consists of the muscular tissue of the heart.

* In the Flesh we see present in section: the myocardium, the endocardium, the vagus nerve and also the left ventricle of the heart for the large thickness of the myocardium.

* The Flesh is a "HEART" complete in its essential structure.

* The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood-type: AB (Blood-type identical to that which Prof. Baima Bollone uncovered in the Holy Shroud of Turin).

* In the Blood there were found proteins in the same normal proportions (percentage-wise) as are found in the sero-proteic make-up of the fresh normal blood.

* In the Blood there were also found these minerals: chlorides, phosphorus, magnesium, potassium, sodium and calcium.

* The preservation of the Flesh and of the Blood, which were left in their natural state for twelve centuries and exposed to the action of atmospheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.

therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

 

[Pitcharan]

Eucharistic Miracle
Lanciano, Italy 8th Century A.D.

I in 1981 there took place a scientific investigation by the most illustrious scientist Prof. Odoardo Linoli, eminent Professor in Anatomy and Pathological Histology and in …pheric and biological agents, remains an extraordinary phenomenon.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/lanciano.html

If you have Faith you will believe without all these proofs. But if you lack Faith, any amount of proof will be of no avail. The gospels clearly show that even after witnessing so many miracles, many were untouched. Take the worst example of the paralytic who was healed at the pool by Jesus after having suffered for 38 years. Firstly, he vanished even without bothering to thank or know his healer. Later when he learnt that the Jews were searching for the healer in order to punish him for doing so on sabbath day, he promptly found out about Jesus and betrayed Him to them. He was warned by our Lord who told him: “Sin no more, lest greater evil befall you”. It only shows that there are people who lack faith even after experiencing the greatest miracle, but would like to believe teachings like “put to death anyone who heals on sabbath day”.

All the gospel teachings only lead us ponder: what exactly is Faith?

 

[dosdog]

If you have Faith you will believe without all these proofs. But if you lack Faith, any amount of proof will be of no avail. The gospels clearly show that even after witnessing so many miracles, many were untouched. Take the worst example of the paralytic who was healed at the pool by Jesus after having suffered for 38 years. Firstly, he vanished even without bothering to thank or know his healer. Later when he learnt that the Jews were searching for the healer in order to punish him for doing so on sabbath day, he promptly found out about Jesus and betrayed Him to them. He was warned by our Lord who told him: “Sin no more, lest greater evil befall you”.

All the gospel teachings only lead us ponder: what exactly is Faith?

-What G-D provides as physical proof does not diminish faith -

ST. Thomas did not believe till he put his fingers in the nail holes​

Why do you think Jesus did those miracles? - For HIS benefit?

 

[Pitcharan]

-What G-D provides as physical proof does not diminish faith -

ST. Thomas did not believe till he put his fingers in the nail holes​

Why do you think Jesus did those miracles? - For HIS benefit?

Don’t delibrately drag the thread on a tangential course. If you want to respond be specific.

 

[dosdog]

Don’t delibrately drag the thread on a tangential course. If you want to respond be specific.

Respond to what - Jesus put dirt on the blind guys eyes - Last time I checked it does not take FAITH to see dirt

 

[Pitcharan]

Respond to what - Jesus put dirt on the blind guys eyes - Last time I checked it does not take FAITH to see dirt

It does not take faith to see dirt. but dirty eyes will only see dirt in everything

 

[dosdog]

It does not take faith to see dirt. but dirty eyes will only see dirt in everything

Only if you have not plucked the log out of your own eye first

 

[Pitcharan]

Only if you have not plucked the log out of your own eye first

Sure, I’ll do so before looking at my neighbour’s eye. But right now, it is you who is busy looking at others.

 

[dosdog]

Sure, I’ll do so before looking at my neighbour’s eye. But right now, it is you who is busy looking at others.

Matthew 11:20
[20] Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein were done the most of his miracles, for that they had not done penance.

[21] Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida: for if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, they had long ago done penance in sackcloth and ashes. [22] But I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment, than for you.

 

[Pitcharan]

Matthew 11:20
[20] Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein were done the most of his miracles, for that they had not done penance.

[21] Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida: for if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, they had long ago done penance in sackcloth and ashes. [22] But I say unto you, it shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment, than for you.

They say, the devil quotes the scriptures for its own purpose. I don’t know why you are quoting all this and fail to understand what is your objection if I invited a defintion of faith from Cinette?

 

[dosdog]

They say, the devil quotes the scriptures for its own purpose. I don’t know why you are quoting all this and fail to understand what is your objection if I invited a defintion of faith from Cinette?

Apocalypse 2:16 In like manner do penance: if not, I will come to thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth​

You have FAITH - do what Jesus says
In like manner do penance: That is more than just moving your lips

 

[Pitcharan]

Apocalypse 2:16 In like manner do penance: if not, I will come to thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth​

You have FAITH - do what Jesus says
In like manner do penance: That is more than just moving your lips

God save you. I pray for your sanity.

 

[dosdog]

God save you. I pray for your sanity.

I pray for your Soul - High Priest of what? - I am not sure

I have a Bishop and Archbishop - You are not in the chain of command

 

[davec66]

To totally depend on our God-given brains is dangerous. It is capable of making one imagine oneself to be the author of one’s own goodness. Whether we like it or not the Bible contains God’s Word and there has to be a way to receive it. The one true way instituted by God’s own Son is the way of the Catholic Church which is led by God’s own Spirit

By your own answer are you using your God given Brain to determine that the Catholic Church is the only Church. The more I read here in these forums and the more I study the bible the more I realize I that the Catholic Church is not the Church Jesus established. Far from it.

 

[dosdog]

By your own answer are you using your God given Brain to determine that the Catholic Church is the only Church. The more I read here in these forums and the more I study the bible the more I realize I that the Catholic Church is not the Church Jesus established. Far from it.

When did Christ come back and take the authority back from His Apostles?
And who are You to deny that Authority?

 

[Cinette]

Try defining Faith without any aid or reference and you will find the answer

*Loving and trusting Jesus. You can believe without understanding.

Cinette*

 

[shaky]

Shaky.

Interesting experience with the Jehovah Witnesses. They are not Protestants, of course, but substantially different from all other Christians.

 If one is to take the 144,000 literally, of course, they have to be 12,000 'virgin men' from each of the twelve tribes of Israel. See Rev. 7:4ff. Rev. 14:3-5. Jehovah Witnesses will not cooperate with any other Christians as they believe they are the only real Christians, the policy Catholicism followe dup until Vatican II. Thank God for John XXIII!

 I am a little surprised that they know who the 144,000 are and who should receive communion. I'll have to look into that as I admit to a hankering to learn about all religions as time permits. I know that the JWs teach that there will be a paradise on earth for the faithful JWs. I'm not sure anyone else will be admitted??? As I recall, they don't believe in a hell or a purgatory. Those who don't make it to the earthly paradise will be destroyed permanently. Before that there will be the horrific Battle of Armageddon which they have been looking forward to for over 100 years now. They are quite convinced that they alone are the only true faith, the faith established by Jehovah.

 Back to the thread. I really don't know for sure whether my interpretation of scripture to also correct. But I don't believe that we are saved by our theology but by the grace of God, I am confident that God does not condemn sincere people of any religion who love the Lord and love one another. Wasn't that how Jesus responded to the lawyer who asked him how he could enter eternal life?

 I do know that I reject certain passages of scripture as to be taken literally, including the first 11 chapters of Genesis. The Noah story! Give me a break. Surely God would not regret that he made humankind (Gen. 6:6) and then proceed to drown all but eight people. Think of all the innocent little ones, even babies in the womb, that he would have killed. How does that stack up against the Ten Commandments and the Sermon on the Mount?

Besides feeding all those animals for 150 days on that ark of the given dimensions? Silly.

 To totally subject our God-given brains to a book or a church or a creed is to misuse what the Lord has provided us. We are meant to wonder and ponder and question and seek and examine and weigh - and also respect the views of others as long as they respect our views, too. Conviction in our beliefs is fine. Arrogant intolerance is not.

Hi roy

Respect the views of others as long as they respect our view. Conviction in our beliefs is Fine. Arrogant intolerance is Not.

What about Jesus who showed Arrogant intolerance to the pharisees as regards the sabbath. Also he called them white washed tomb’s. With there religious practises.
Also he tipped the tables over in there temple.

Also no scripture has come about by the prophets own private interpretation. {2 peter 1:20}
‘‘I believe the book of Geneses to be true’’. All scriptures are God Breathed used for the reproof in Righteousness correcting etc. {2 Timothy 3:16}

 

[tqualey]

Hi, Davec66,

Considering that the Bible you are holding - even in its abridged form - came from the Catholic Church in about the 400AD, would you please explain your post in some greater detail? Especially, the “…far from it…” remark. Oh, and be sure to provide some objective references…

God bless

By your own answer are you using your God given Brain to determine that the Catholic Church is the only Church. The more I read here in these forums and the more I study the bible the more I realize I that the Catholic Church is not the Church Jesus established. Far from it.