How do you like Nietzsche and Rand's philosophies

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Nietzsche was more than God is dead. He said that we killed God and that because of that there are no moral absolutes except for what is best for the race/nation. Nietzsche’s is an mad, dark world of mindless individuals working for the betterment of the race ever though most of them are worthless. Is it any wonder that Nietzsche died insane?
 
Nietzsche was more than God is dead. He said that we killed God and that because of that there are no moral absolutes except for what is best for the race/nation. Nietzsche’s is an mad, dark world of mindless individuals working for the betterment of the race ever though most of them are worthless. Is it any wonder that Nietzsche died insane?
What is equally ironic ( in a pun sort of way) is that the publication in which he made the statement is called ‘Gay Science’.😛 (not that there’s anything wrong with that…)😊
 
What Catholic couldn’t love the moral Nietzsche gave to the world? He sinned, caught an STD, ended up writing hate filled nonsense that encouraged the equally hate filled Nazi culture. Finally Nietzsche became barking mad, and should have been shuttled off to an asylum, except that he was rescued and cared for by his religious relative.

God bless, Annem
 
How do you like Nietzsche and Rand’s philosophies?
Nietzsche was an atheist, so I don’t agree with his take on life. Also, he was yet another German obsessed with the ‘Superman’ persona.
 
How do you like Nietzsche and Rand’s philosophies?
I haven’t read much of their actual writings, however you might want to read Papa Ratzinger’s works. I understand that he is very well read in those areas.
 
OK, so is there a copy of “Nietzsche for Dummies” out there?

I know little of his philosophy…I keep hearing stuff about “Will to Power”, lots of Nazi/racist links, etc…altho’ every time I try to read up, it’s full of a lot of philosophical trade-jargon that a puir wee layman like myself can’t understand (I never took Phil 101).

I remember reading something recently, some fellow wrote an article stating that the Incredible Hulk was the ultimate Nietzschean Übermensch – beholden only to his own desires and will, and an irresistable force unchecked by such petty and piffling constraints as ethics, morality, or even reason.

Needless to say, I’m not overly impressed with that philosophy, if that is the case.

As a side note…when I was doing my design program at college, we did a little art history. The Expressionists, Sturm und Drang, Edvard Munch, van Gogh, August Strindberg, etc…I began to wonder — do the Germanic ethnicities, as a group, need a really good doobie?
 
OK, so is there a copy of “Nietzsche for Dummies” out there?
I know there’s a book called “Nietzsche in 90 Minutes” but I haven’t had a chance to read it - but that’s the first thing that came to mind along those lines.
 
OK, so is there a copy of “Nietzsche for Dummies” out there?
Action Philosophers!

It’s been a while since I read their take on Nietzsche but I remember it being pretty good, and the whole series is generally a philosophically accurate laugh riot.
I know little of his philosophy…I keep hearing stuff about “Will to Power”, lots of Nazi/racist links, etc…altho’ every time I try to read up, it’s full of a lot of philosophical trade-jargon that a puir wee layman like myself can’t understand (I never took Phil 101).
That’s kind of barking up the wrong tree. Will to Power or Der Wille zur Macht wasn’t an original work; Friedrich’s sister Elizabeth happened (much to his disgust) to be a Nazi, and compiled a neatly cherrypicked bits’n’bobs collection after his death. That is the reason you hear about him in connection with the Nazi party; Nietzsche himself had a passionate hatred for both nationalism and anti-Semitism, both of which are notable qualities of Nazism.
I remember reading something recently, some fellow wrote an article stating that the Incredible Hulk was the ultimate Nietzschean Übermensch – beholden only to his own desires and will, and an irresistable force unchecked by such petty and piffling constraints as ethics, morality, or even reason.
Needless to say, I’m not overly impressed with that philosophy, if that is the case.
Unless there’s a huge intellectual side to the Hulk that I’m missing (I haven’t read a single one of the comics), he’s wrong. The Übermensch is beholden only to himself and above what some people consider ‘good’ and ‘evil’ (this does not preclude ethics itself, just what may be described as petty fiat morality), but reason is, if anything, the character’s most defining quality. I know much less about Rand than I do about Nietzsche, but from what I know she plagiarized and perverted this concept into her impossible idea of the wholly selfish ‘rational actor’. What I know of the Hulk does not fit the description of the Übermensch I took away from reading Zarathustra. If you want a comic book analogy, Ozymandias from Watchmen is actually a great example.
As a side note…when I was doing my design program at college, we did a little art history. The Expressionists, Sturm und Drang, Edvard Munch, van Gogh, August Strindberg, etc…I began to wonder — do the Germanic ethnicities, as a group, need a really good doobie?
They’ve got beer for that 😃 The German reputation for stuffy gravitas is, well, kinda deserved on the grand scale, but they are quite capable of humor and even sometimes whimsy. Nietzsche himself could be devilishly funny when he wanted. But you know, what they teach in classes is always the dry stuff, or the funny stuff with all the joy sucked out.
 
Hi,
I have been reading Gilbert Chesterton’s book Orthodoxy.
Nietzsche’s name is mentioned quite often. I don’t think
Chesterton was a big fan of him but I could be wrong.
My 19 year old daughter gave the book to me to read
and wants to have a discusion about it when I’m done
reading it. I am afraid it will be difficult for me to do so.
The book can be overwhelming at times,but I learned
alot from reading it.
 
Hi,
I have been reading Gilbert Chesterton’s book Orthodoxy.
Nietzsche’s name is mentioned quite often. I don’t think
Chesterton was a big fan of him but I could be wrong.
No, you’re quite right. He was not a fan at all.
My 19 year old daughter gave the book to me to read
and wants to have a discusion about it when I’m done
reading it. I am afraid it will be difficult for me to do so.
The book can be overwhelming at times, but I learned
alot from reading it.
It sounds like a good opportunity to hear your daughter’s views on some serious matters. I hope she will reject the errors in that writing and use the opportunity to confirm her faith.
 
No, you’re quite right. He was not a fan at all.

It sounds like a good opportunity to hear your daughter’s views on some serious matters. I hope she will reject the errors in that writing and use the opportunity to confirm her faith.
Is that really what you meant? If her daughter gave her this book, her daughter is probably already confirmed in her faith.

I would be thrilled if my daughter were giving me Chesterton books to read. I wonder how she discovered him? I’m a Chesterton fan, but I don’t remember hearing of him until I was 40.

I’ve read 4 of his books, Orthodoxy, Heretics, St Francis of Assisi, and The Man Who Was Thursday. I plan to read more and maybe read these again. The Man Who Was Thursday, I couldn’t put down. Orthodoxy was hard to read because you had to stop and contemplate nearly every sentence. It takes a lot of patience to read Chesterton. But you can’t help but love him. At least I can’t.

Do you watch the show “The Apostle of Common Sense” on EWTN? It’s on every Sunday at 9 p.m. Also you can get all the old shows (mp3) from the EWTN audio library.
 
Nietzsche himself could be devilishly funny when he wanted. But you know, what they teach in classes is always the dry stuff, or the funny stuff with all the joy sucked out.
I am baffled by this comment. Funny??? Sarcastic, yes. but funny??? Nietzsche hated the common man, and thought the average man was a dullard, scarcely fit to live. But hey, at least the average slob could smile occasionally. Whereas the superior man (surprise! by which Nietzsche meant Nietzsche) was burdened by the cruel truth of things, that life is purposeless and ends in moldering away and being eaten by worms. All is pitiless and vile, but the tragic superior man, the super hero man, so unlike one of those silly heroes the common man liked, stood above it all, shining in his bitter wonderfulness, a true Greek tragedy. Talk about corny. Talk about vanity the size of all outdoors.

I never fail to picture Nietzsche hunched over in his cold, ugly little room, utterly miserable every second of the day, scribbling rants against God and morality, while his mind disintegrated.

God bless, Annem
 
Is that really what you meant? If her daughter gave her this book, her daughter is probably already confirmed in her faith.
Sorry, my mistake. I misread the comment thinking she gave a book by Nietzsche.
I would be thrilled if my daughter were giving me Chesterton books to read.
Likewise.
Do you watch the show “The Apostle of Common Sense” on EWTN? It’s on every Sunday at 9 p.m. Also you can get all the old shows (mp3) from the EWTN audio library.
Yes, Dale Alquith does a great job.
 
I am baffled by this comment. Funny??? Sarcastic, yes. but funny??? Nietzsche hated the common man, and thought the average man was a dullard, scarcely fit to live. But hey, at least the average slob could smile occasionally. Whereas the superior man (surprise! by which Nietzsche meant Nietzsche) was burdened by the cruel truth of things, that life is purposeless and ends in moldering away and being eaten by worms. All is pitiless and vile, but the tragic superior man, the super hero man, so unlike one of those silly heroes the common man liked, stood above it all, shining in his bitter wonderfulness, a true Greek tragedy. Talk about corny. Talk about vanity the size of all outdoors.

I never fail to picture Nietzsche hunched over in his cold, ugly little room, utterly miserable every second of the day, scribbling rants against God and morality, while his mind disintegrated.
Spoken like one who can’t appreciate a good pun.

Translated: ‘And then I knew my enemy: it was the spirit of gravity; through him all things fall. Come, let us kill the spirit of gravity!’

Sure, he could be bitter and sarcastic, but to say that he was devoid of innocent humor is doing him a disservice. Nietzsche was one of the more eloquent philosophers to publish anything, and that eloquence extended to humor above and beyond mere sarcasm.

As for ‘rants against God’ – have you read the second (and more important) part of the ‘God is dead!’ chapter of Zarathustra? It seems most every Christian only gets as far as ‘God is dead’ and completely ignores ‘And we have killed him!’. Nietzsche’s claim of God’s death is not a call to celebrate but a call to mourn and to, if possible, step into some very big shoes. That God is dead is not a cause for joy to Zarathustra; instead it makes him realize that humanity is now responsible for its own good and its own evil, and cannot blame other parties, gods or devils, for its deeds and misdeeds. Nietzsche’s idea was that humanity has killed God out of fear of subservience – and now that we’ve done that, we have to shoulder some responsibilities we could previously leave up to the supernatural. I think that’s rather closer to the Christian point of view than you think – do we not participate in the murder of God with every sin we commit, according to your faith?
 
I find the works of both enlightening in the sense that it tells me sociopathology does not disable one from writing.
 
It would be my distinct pleasure to trietzsche, but if we race to eat it, I bet I’ll bietzsche!
Remember to say grace before you ietzsche cobbler.

On a side note, I take St Francis as my tietzsche; he says be kind to every living crietzsche.
 
Well,lets see.When Hitler first met Mussolini e presented Benito with a cherished copy of the collected works of Nietzsche…who believed in mans freedom from worn out moralities…Adolph thus made this the cornerstone of his left-wing National Socialist party of Germany!!!Thus after 12 years and some 6 million innocent Jewish citizens and 14 million Christians murdered for the kingdom of Man…the demonic teachings of good ole Niet fulled up cemeteries and ditches all over the world…Carl Jung was a disciple of the above two and when my village school board printed a quote from Jung on their school calendar I protested to the board at a public meeting and the following year they quoted for that same month…Mother Teresa…so once in a while it does pay to fight for the right…(altho my batting average is not so hot)…lets always remember " Doctrinal dissent leads to intellectual self-deception,which leads to behavorial self-deception…thus so few in prison ever believe they are guilty of anything but being caught…pardon me while I go and lock my doors…
 
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