How Do You Love a Genocidal God?

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I have no idea why I decided to just type this out of sheer impulse, but here’s what I wrote about God:

“Sometimes I wonder…. How can I possibly love such a God? Everything from smashing baby’s skulls against rocks, to desolating entire cities for idolatry, to almost destroying Moses simply for being uncircumcised! Is this truly the God who rescued the slaves in Egypt? Is this truly the God who balances the laws of nature to sustain us? Is this truly the God who desires we love our enemies? Is this truly the God who manifested Himself to pay for our iniquities? Did you see the babies as potential a threat, Lord? Did you for-see that one of them had the potential of becoming like Moses? That he’d see the calamities of his predecessors and, when he matures, lead a rebellion against your divine plan? You, my God, are terrifying. Is your omnipotence a curse to us all? When your own prophet, Ezekiel, expressed his moral outrage at your actions, you merely expressed that you were responding with judgment. You stated there was, “much bloodshed in the land.” Are our iniquities truly that significant in your eyes? Does Satan boast about his victories over our hearts too often? You truly terrify me, though that is not why I worship you. When I was dark, you shown me the light. When I was a captive, you set me free. When I was my own worst enemy, you baptized me with fire. And I loved you. Like a companion in arms, I boast about your love and greatness. I treasure your teachings and this divine wisdom you keep hidden from the natural man. I feel as though I was saved by a maniac. Who knew that the Light that unlocked my prison cell would be a genocidal mad man? You are truly the only sane mad man I know. You are a strange God, how you treasure the lowly things. What am I but an ameba taken from the ocean, formed in the shape of a god? Yet you’ve given me dominion over all the livestock, and the intelligence to create and destroy. I can feel your commandments pressing against my heart. You want me to spread the message you’ve prepared for the world. I’ll never understand why the world desires their prison cells. Cell walls won’t stand forever, but your kingdom will replace their ruins. Like a good Father, you chastise me. You correct my every step so that I can emanate what is only less of a fraction, of a fraction’s fraction, of your glorious splendor. You, in your righteousness, prefer that I question your fairness rather than accept inexplicable injustice. I face the greatest test, trying to defend your righteousness. Such a violent God, yet so loving? How do you make such contradicting qualities compatible? Oh yeah, your God.”
 
I have no idea why I decided to just type this out of sheer impulse, but here’s what I wrote about God:

"Sometimes I wonder…. How can I possibly love such a God? Everything from smashing baby’s skulls against rocks, to desolating entire cities for idolatry, to almost destroying Moses simply for being uncircumcised! … "
The only answer I know of is, you have to recognize that not everything in the Old Testament is literally true; only metaphorically true. God chose to communicate to the ancient Israelites in a symbolic framework that they understood. God cannot be the author of sin, and if He did we humans would be in a position to lecture Him, which is an absurd proposition, since He is the source of everything moral.
 
The only answer I know of is, you have to recognize that not everything in the Old Testament is literally true; only metaphorically true. God chose to communicate to the ancient Israelites in a symbolic framework that they understood. God cannot be the author of sin, and if He did we humans would be in a position to lecture Him, which is an absurd proposition, since He is the source of everything moral.
I’m not sure if I started this thread in search for answers… I think the baby incident in Ezekiel was litteral… Even if He did, though, would it be considered a sin? Murder is an unlawful killing. Is it immoral for the creator to destroy His creation? If we program a robot wih emotions, are we still aloud to dismantle the robot? I find it strange He’s the source of all things moral. He is our conscience that screams, “Don’t do it!”

Do we not love Him because He’s genocidal? God even loves genocidal people!! :eek: He has unconditional, forgiving love. I heard the testimony of a Muslim man who killed many “infidels” who claimed Jesus appeared to Him, and he changed his entire lifestyle! And perspective of life! All over something as radical as an apparition!
 
It looks like the author of OP is venting or projecting anger at God.
 
It looks like the author of OP is venting or projecting anger at God.
I actually wrote this with the twinkles of love in my eyes. Yes, surprising, I know. But I think it’s important we acknowledge our absolutely strange relationship with the Most High God. I believe God wants us to call Him into question. That’s what Job did, that’s what God honored. Those who tried to justify His inexplicable unfairness He said, “Why haven’t you spoken rightfully of Me as My servan Job has?” Job loved God. I love God. But we have a straaange relationship. We’re like grasshoppers under His feat. He could squash us for bitting Him, yet He loves us enough to allow us to get away with it.
 
The truth is we are only still existing thanks to God’s love, really He should have wiped us out the first time Adam and Eve threw his gifts back in His face we are more trouble than we are worth yet He gives us chance after chance even going so far as to allow us to kill Him on a cross and still He allows us to continue to exist, personally I am amazed at His mercy given the way humanity constantly betrays Him to His enemies.
 
The truth is we are only still existing thanks to God’s love, really He should have wiped us out the first time Adam and Eve threw his gifts back in His face we are more trouble than we are worth yet He gives us chance after chance even going so far as to allow us to kill Him on a cross and still He allows us to continue to exist, personally I am amazed at His mercy given the way humanity constantly betrays Him to His enemies.
Indeed. Do the angels of heaven simply sit back and wistle while God adores His corrupt creation? Angels live in the sinless paradise of heaven, as we live in a paradise prepared for us, that He made us the gods of, and we destroy it. How do we not recieve accusations from heaven? Wouldn’t we be continually criticized? Do the angels think God is as crazy as we do?
 
Might be hard, if the only good was natural life.

At least God offers and desires all of us to be with him eternally. This is the supernatural good that humans can not offer to God.

We can’t offer God anything in kind, and yet we’re genocidal, no?

So what’s our reason?
 
Keep in mind that the thing that makes murder wrong for us is that we aren’t God. We didn’t create them. We aren’t the Author of Life.

God, on the other hand, has every right to kill any and everyone according to His Divine Will, at any time, in any place, in any manner of His choosing. And when and if He does, it is a right and good thing. We are the creatures; He is the Creator. If we forget that, and try to place ourselves on a level with God, then we commit the original sin of Adam and Eve when the serpent convinced Eve that not only would she not die if she ate of the forbidden fruit, but she would be “like God” in that she could choose for herself what was right and what was wrong. Who does that sound like in our day and time? Just about EVERY American I’ve ever met! 🙂

Injustice happens when someone takes from someone else something they have a right to (life, property, etc.) which the taker does not. Since God gave us all our rights, He has the right to take any and everything away from us. And if and when He does, He does so justly. There is no wrong in doing so. No injustice.
 
I’m not sure if I started this thread in search for answers… I think the baby incident in Ezekiel was litteral… Even if He did, though, would it be considered a sin?
Yes, because it is a blatant violation of the objective moral code to take an innocent life.
Murder is an unlawful killing. Is it immoral for the creator to destroy His creation? If we program a robot wih emotions, are we still aloud to dismantle the robot? I find it strange He’s the source of all things moral. He is our conscience that screams, “Don’t do it!”
Huh? We’re not robots, we’re moral beings, because He made us that way. When you say it is possible for God to violate His own moral code, you are essentially saying that it is possible for Him to contradict His own nature. It is not.
Do we not love Him because He’s genocidal?
He would not be worth our worship if He were.
 
Indeed. Do the angels of heaven simply sit back and wistle while God adores His corrupt creation? Angels live in the sinless paradise of heaven, as we live in a paradise prepared for us, that He made us the gods of, and we destroy it. How do we not recieve accusations from heaven? Wouldn’t we be continually criticized? Do the angels think God is as crazy as we do?
The angels know better than to sit in judgement of God. something man would do well to learn also.
 
Keep in mind that the thing that makes murder wrong for us is that we aren’t God. We didn’t create them. We aren’t the Author of Life.

God, on the other hand, has every right to kill any and everyone according to His Divine Will, at any time, in any place, in any manner of His choosing. And when and if He does, it is a right and good thing.
So you’re saying that God is morally arbitrary? I think it’s really important that this noxious idea be forcefully rejected.
 
Yes, because it is a blatant violation of the objective moral code to take an innocent life.
Except none of us are born innocent, we are all born guilty of original sin which is why if a baby dies upbaptised they can’t enter into heaven. And that original sin is the reason God would be justified in killing the whole lot of us.
 
Except none of us are born innocent, we are all born guilty of original sin which is why if a baby dies upbaptised they can’t enter into heaven. And that original sin is the reason God would be justified in killing the whole lot of us.
so why would He create all of us if only to destroy us…it would be illogical,
 
Considering God died on a cross out of his Love for us…
Truly amazing. He appears before us a a lam, yet it’s like having a relationship with a vicious lion, or a bull that charges at the sight of an odd-colored piece of fabric.
Yes, because it is a blatant violation of the objective moral code to take an innocent life.
But a part of God’s omnipotant character is being able to meet out justice. In His almighty nature, injustice is easy to fix.
Huh? We’re not robots, we’re moral beings, because He made us that way. When you say it is possible for God to violate His own moral code, you are essentially saying that it is possible for Him to contradict His own nature. It is not.
So your not a robot? Tell me, when you see violence, aren’t you programed to respond with outrage? When you see illness, aren’t you programed to respond with pity? We are slaves to human emotion. Human emotions are just as responsive as a light to a light switch.

And a part of God’s omnipotence is making completely contradicting characteristics compatible, and being able to meet out injustice despite Himself.
He would not be worth our worship if He were.
I think an important reason I make this thread is to shed light on our strange relationship with God. If you base your relationship with God on that, then what will you do when met with inexplicilbe injustice? All you can do is live a pious life, because we can’t speak for God, nor can we justify Him with incomplete evidence. We’re limited. We can’t see above the microscope.
The angels know better than to sit in judgement of God. something man would do well to learn also.
Then how do you explain Lucifer’s case? He said, “Job loves you only because you put a hedge around him!” Isn’t this incinuating that God’s love isn’t authentic? That He has to bribe us?
 
so why would He create all of us if only to destroy us…it would be illogical,
Not if we failed to do what He created us to do, then it would be perfectly logical, you make something and it doesn’t work so your unmake it and start again. Just like happened at the flood.
 
Then how do you explain Lucifer’s case? He said, “Job loves you only because you put a hedge around him!” Isn’t this incinuating that God’s love isn’t authentic? That He has to bribe us?
And why would I pay any heed to anything said by a demon?
 
Except none of us are born innocent, we are all born guilty of original sin which is why if a baby dies upbaptised they can’t enter into heaven. And that original sin is the reason God would be justified in killing the whole lot of us.
If God is morally arbitrary then He’s not fit to be worshipped. End of story.

If He would condemn an infant who is guilty of no actual, personal sin to eternal damnation because his parents failed to baptise him, then that’s extremely morally arbitrary, isn’t it?
 
Except none of us are born innocent, we are all born guilty of original sin which is why if a baby dies upbaptised they can’t enter into heaven. And that original sin is the reason God would be justified in killing the whole lot of us.
This isn’t true:

“The soul who sins is the one who will die. The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous man will be credited to him, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against him.” -Ezekiel 18:20

Though we inherit the sinful nature of our fathers, we are not pronounced guilty because of it:

“But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things:” -Ezekiel 18:14
 
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