How do you receive the Body of Christ?

[MarkThompson]

how about if EMHCs use this so they don’t touch the host…

agnusdeichurchsupplies.com/communalabra.php

Just to be clear (since other people might not have seen the thread in which this was breathlessly announced as the next sacrilegious Novus Ordo abomination) that thing was developed for, and is used in, Protestant churches.

 

[choy]

tic = tongue in cheek

yeah, i saw that other thread and when someone mentioned lay people not touching the host, this just came up in my mind. i can’t resist bringing it up

yes, that idea is pretty ridiculous for use in our Church. not so much for those that do not believe fully in the Real Presence, or who see Communion as merely symbolic.

yes, thats a ridiculous gadget that violates every Catholic teaching on the Eucharist. but dismissing practices approved by the Church based on one’s personal opinion or viewpoint is equally ridiculous because one disregards the authority of the Church on this matter, and place oneself as more authoritative in that matter

 

[ProVobis]

So Martin Luther probably said thousands of TLMs, so what?

That’s what I thought you meant. Just wanted to make sure.

 

[Pug]

how about if EMHCs use this so they don’t touch the host…

agnusdeichurchsupplies.com/communalabra.php

tic

Hmmm. I wonder if the place that uses this also orders special food that they squeeze out of a tube for all potluck functions?

“Fellowship Potluck Night - no volunteers or fellow parishioners have touched this food. Certified germ free! Factory vacuum packed.”

I’ll try to slink back off to bed where I belong now.

 

[Ockham]

Martin Luther was a Catholic priest. A TLM priest, you could say.

Who was man enough to leave the Church rather than cause unnecessary change and division from within.

 

[Ockham]

how do you think EMHCs came to be? the priest just randomly selects 2-3 people from the laity before mass and asks them to distribute Holy Communion? these people have been trained by the priest and given a blessing to assist him in his duties

That’s actually closer to the official requirements of the use of EMHCs. The are not supposed to be regularly scheduledt. That’s from the Magisterium which so many CITH supporters cry unquestioning obedience to.

 

[WatchingMedia]

I don’t understand this thread - at least how it has evolved.
Catholics not in mortal sin are free to receive the Body of Christ either on tongue, or according to US Bishops in hand.
Catholics not in mortal sin are free to receive the Body of Christ kneeling or standing.
Non-Catholics may not receive the Body of Christ.

Our Pope recommends on tongue and kneeling.
vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/details/ns_lit_doc_20100526_communion_en.html

If any Bishop tries to stop or discourage on tongue and kneeling, email the Vatican. According to Cardinal Arenzi the Vatican will contact him for a “private talk”.

Someone mentioned about Consecrated Hosts being dropped. That is why they should use pattons (small gold plates held by altar boys or other Mass servers), but I don’t know what the US Bishops have to say about this.

 

[PaulinVA]

That doesn’t really follow, though, does it? I can think of plenty of motivation to receive kneeling and on the tongue that doesn’t have to do with “lay unworthiness.” In fact, I’d hope that for most people it has to do with their inward disposition and their posture in meeting the Lord instead of with judgments about who is “worthy” to dispense from the ciborium. Otherwise, that’s just kind of disappointing.

I guess I hadn’t thought of other motivations. Yes, as choy says, the Church approves of lay EMHC. Personally, I think it’s the single biggest reason that Catholics don’t believe in the Real Presence anymore. There was a thread here a while back that quoted a ten-year-old Gallup Poll as saying only a third of Catholics believe in the Real Presence. Why? Personally, I think it’s because anyone can distribute the Host. It must not be special (in people’s minds, not mine).

Interesting point, Mark. From whom it comes does not matter, as regards my reception.

 

[paramedicgirl]

I don’t understand this thread - at least how it has evolved.
Catholics not in mortal sin are free to receive the Body of Christ either on tongue, or according to US Bishops in hand.
Catholics not in mortal sin are free to receive the Body of Christ kneeling or standing.
Non-Catholics may not receive the Body of Christ.

Our Pope recommends on tongue and kneeling.
vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/details/ns_lit_doc_20100526_communion_en.html

If any Bishop tries to stop or discourage on tongue and kneeling, email the Vatican. According to Cardinal Arenzi the Vatican will contact him for a “private talk”.

Someone mentioned about Consecrated Hosts being dropped. That is why they should use pattons (small gold plates held by altar boys or other Mass servers), but I don’t know what the US Bishops have to say about this.

Thanks for that link! It may come in handy one day.

 

[nice2000]

Hi

I did not write the article. Ask David Martin. See the link below. His email is at the bottom of the link.

4marks.com/articles/details.html?article_id=3839

Also posted in a couple other threads within this thread is this link, see below, which is located in the Vatican’s archives.

vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/details/ns_lit_doc_20100526_communion_en.html

Please explain the first comment.

Also the second - how is it known what satanists say among themselves?

 

[Lycorth]

If any Bishop tries to stop or discourage on tongue and kneeling, email the Vatican. According to Cardinal Arenzi the Vatican will contact him for a “private talk”.

Does this count for parish priests? It’s discouraged at our church

Who was man enough to leave the Church rather than cause unnecessary change and division from within.

What was so manly about becoming a manifest heretic who wanted to destroy the Church?

 

[choy]

That’s actually closer to the official requirements of the use of EMHCs. The are not supposed to be regularly scheduledt. That’s from the Magisterium which so many CITH supporters cry unquestioning obedience to.

the conditions for using EMHCs include the size of the congregation where there are not enough priests/deacons to distribute Holy Communion in a reasonable amount of time

this is a common problems for most parishes as they would usually have one or two regular priests. i have been to parishes in the past that have 4-6 resident priests, and therefore do not use EMHCs. but parishes who do not have enough priests need to do so on a regular basis. my current parish has one priest and about 300 families spread to three masses. my former parish has over 1000 people attending per mass, 6 masses on a Sunday, and only two priests. yes, both priests are there for Communion every mass, and even with 4 EMHCs, communion still goes for 15-20 minutes

is it up to us to decide whether a priest thinks he can do it by himself or needs help? we can’t just say, “oh he can do that by himself.” we can’t assess his situation because we’re no in his situation.

 

[Brian777]

Who was man enough to leave the Church rather than cause unnecessary change and division from within.

man enough to lose his soul in heresy though…but I hold hope that the rumor he was given last rites on his death bed is true…i hope i hope i hope…

anyway…on the tongue, for about 4 years now, and I would like to point out as an interesting point that the Saint who is quoted all the time about communion in the hand…is an Eastern rite bishop not Roman rite so it wouldnt apply to us anyway…Cyril of Jerusalem correct? and thats ironic because now they are so strict about how communion is recieved, off the spoon using a towel so that the person never touches anything related to the host(?) and it is straight into the mouth…i laughed when i figured tht all out

 

[Brian777]

the conditions for using EMHCs include the size of the congregation where there are not enough priests/deacons to distribute Holy Communion in a reasonable amount of time

this is a common problems for most parishes as they would usually have one or two regular priests. i have been to parishes in the past that have 4-6 resident priests, and therefore do not use EMHCs.

where have you seen that!? are you talking in this day and age, or years ago?

 

[choy]

where have you seen that!? are you talking in this day and age, or years ago?

Philippines, where i come from
the country is 80% Catholic, so there’s a lot of churches around. churches that are run by religious orders would have a house attached to the church, especially the older ones on bigger property. they would have a number of resident priests. there are still more parishes who lack priests, but there are a few that has more than enough priests. and this is usually the cathedrals, minor basillicas, or as i mentioned, a “base” of an order of priests

 

[floresco]

oh, and i’m not attributing a position on you that is not your position. i’m reacting to your posts and therefore i can only perceive your position based on your posts. this is called, “i do not read other people’s minds”

I said “foster reverence”. You said “eventually instill proper reverence” These are different. Therefore straw man.

 

[Ockham]

What was so manly about becoming a manifest heretic who wanted to destroy the Church?

Good point. That was a emotional remark that I’d like to retract. There is of course nothing manly about those who try to distance themselves and others from our Lord.

 

[Ockham]

the conditions for using EMHCs include the size of the congregation where there are not enough priests/deacons to distribute Holy Communion in a reasonable amount of time

this is a common problems for most parishes as they would usually have one or two regular priests.

Although we are now going to battle in ancetodal-land, I have to disagree with you.

EMHCs have become a regular fixture at OF Masses whether necessary or not. At one OF church I like to attend there are usually four EMHCs and the pews approximately 1/3 full. I wonder how many EMHCS would be deployed if we ever got a full house? How many priest were distributing Holy Communion back in the day when a full house was a regular occurence? At one church I stopped by for a weekday Mass recently there was approximately twenty people lining up between one priest and one EMHC who was dispensing from a glass bowl (similar to something people put potatoe chips in).

Take a look at a popular Tim Horton’s or McDonalds and ask youself why people don’t mind standing in line for a coffee or cheese burger but apparently can’t stand any delay in the Communion line? What’s the rush? If you were invited to meet the President of the US or Prime Minister of Canada would you expect the line to move without stops?

Sometimes I wonder if this modern requirement of speedy Communion has anything to do with the near absence of Confessional lines. Anytime I stop at an OF church for Confession I’m either the only one there or among a handful of faithful. Every EF Mass I have ever attended has a line up at the Confessional. Perhaps the OF folks want a Communion line to move as quickly as possible so as not to dwell on the fact they haven’t been to Confession in a long time and now about to receive the Blessed Sacrament unworthily. Or maybe some people just value a good cup of coffee more than our Redeemer.

Whatever the cause, most parish EMHCs are employed contrary to the instructions from the Vatican and therefore disobedient.

 

[choy]

Although we are now going to battle in ancetodal-land, I have to disagree with you.

EMHCs have become a regular fixture at OF Masses whether necessary or not. At one OF church I like to attend there are usually four EMHCs and the pews approximately 1/3 full. I wonder how many EMHCS would be deployed if we ever got a full house? How many priest were distributing Holy Communion back in the day when a full house was a regular occurence? At one church I stopped by for a weekday Mass recently there was approximately twenty people lining up between one priest and one EMHC who was dispensing from a glass bowl (similar to something people put potatoe chips in).

the parish priest is the judge of the necessity of using an EMHC, not you, not me. to say what WE think will works is a bit presumptuous to the facts. its so easy to judge just by looking without obtaining all the fact, no?

Take a look at a popular Tim Horton’s or McDonalds and ask youself why people don’t mind standing in line for a coffee or cheese burger but apparently can’t stand any delay in the Communion line? What’s the rush? If you were invited to meet the President of the US or Prime Minister of Canada would you expect the line to move without stops?

i probably won’t go. i’m not thrilled by politicians.

most of the time communion lines have to go faster because there are masses later in the day. my former parish would have communion go for about 15-20 minutes with at least a thousand people. there’s 6 masses in one day. if you force the two priests in the parish to distribute Holy Communion by themselves, what about the other people in the other masses? the mass has to end as scheduled so the next one will begin as scheduled. plus this also gives the priest some rest before the next mass. plus many other reasons you nor i see

Sometimes I wonder if this modern requirement of speedy Communion has anything to do with the near absence of Confessional lines. Anytime I stop at an OF church for Confession I’m either the only one there or among a handful of faithful. Every EF Mass I have ever attended has a line up at the Confessional. Perhaps the OF folks want a Communion line to move as quickly as possible so as not to dwell on the fact they haven’t been to Confession in a long time and now about to receive the Blessed Sacrament unworthily. Or maybe some people just value a good cup of coffee more than our Redeemer.

thats very judgmental. how do you know if any one of them are in a state of mortal sin?

Whatever the cause, most parish EMHCs are employed contrary to the instructions from the Vatican and therefore disobedient.

can you prove this? otherwise your just fanning flames with hearsay

 

[Ockham]

can you prove this? otherwise your just fanning flames with hearsay

Six thousand people at a Mass in not ordinary. My ancedotal story is more common, would you agree? It’s not my opinion EMHCs are not used properly it’s the Magesterium’s.

*[158.] Indeed, the extraordinary minister of Holy Communion may administer Communion only when the Priest and Deacon are lacking, when the Priest is prevented by weakness or advanced age or some other genuine reason, or when the number of faithful coming to Communion is so great that the very celebration of Mass would be unduly prolonged. This, however, is to be understood in such a way that a brief prolongation, considering the circumstances and culture of the place, is not at all a sufficient reason.*RS

Why do you sometimes claim strict obedience to the Magisterium and then sometimes agree with disobedient acts under the guise of priest or bishop discretion?

It is also the duty of every Catholic to ensure things are being done properly. Be assured the ‘modernist’ element in any individual parish or diocese is working covertly to bring about new changes. EMHCs began purifying the sacred vessels which is the exclusive duty of the priest, the US bishops applied for an indult to make this legal, the Vatican denied it. Interestingly this is the same pattern as how CITH got into the GIRM only in that case the Vatican acquiesced and allowed an illicit practice to gain a foothold.

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0606058.htm

Here is a thought provoking article on this topic: EXTRAORDINARY MINISTERS OF THE EUCHARIST
Peter A. Kwasniewski
ewtn.com/library/Liturgy/EXTRMIN.HTM

Also, the Blessed Sacrament is to be distributed from sacred vessels, not glass bowls. I’m not sure why you accuse me of ‘fanning flames of hearsay’ when I’m just pointing out the way the Vatican wants things done.