How do you reconcile

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Raynd:
… I’m a bit cooked…
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This part I agree with. The rest… not so much.

You are grasping at straws. Evil tendencies are part of EVERY human, from Pope to serial killer. Your silly theory is nothing but an attempt to find a scapegoat for the evil you see around you and that you know is also present in your own heart.

Christ left us His church as a vehicle for giving us the grace to overcome our sinfulness. The fact that not all who claim the title catholic seem to have availed themselves of this faith proves nothing.

Only someone completely ignorant of church teaching would suspect that the church would act immaculately throughout history. Instead, it is reasonable to expect the church to behave SOMEWHAT better than the culture at large surrounding it due to the availability of God’s grace. This is, in fact, what history really does show.
 
Well of course I strive to be objective…we are all obectivists…some of just don’t know it…or are still in need of more logical training to help them towards a better understanding of the world around them. You know the CC is just about the most objective cult/orginization that I have ever seen with their borderline absurd overt analysis, and over thinking of biblical text…They REALLY wanted to know the EXACT meanings of everything didn’t they?? Too bad they started with fase concepts…

I bet if you examined your life…you would realize that almost everything you do is based and backed by objectivity… (except your belief system)…
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Sherlock:
Are you an Objectivist, by any chance? Just wondering about your screen name. If so, it would explain the hostility to religion and reason.
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Raynd:
Well of course I strive to be objective…we are all obectivists…some of just don’t know it…or are still in need of more logical training to help them towards a better understanding of the world around them. You know the CC is just about the most objective cult/orginization that I have ever seen with their borderline absurd overt analysis, and over thinking of biblical text…They REALLY wanted to know the EXACT meanings of everything didn’t they?? Too bad they started with fase concepts…

I bet if you examined your life…you would realize that almost everything you do is based and backed by objectivity… (except your belief system)…
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So, you are a relativist.
 
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Raynd:
Ok guys…some got a little miffed (did someone call me a punk?)…hahaha - I like it. See I’m working on a book idea…the working title is “The Birth of Evil”…but the birth of christianity spawned the birth of evil through the evolution of persian zoroastrianism
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Sounds like you’re just here to antagonize, which explains a lot.

As futile as it seems, I would point out that you have managed to get the direction of causality exactly backward: Christianity did not create evil; the concept of evil emerged gradually in human awareness over time, and man gained insight into his fallible nature in the course of God’s ongoing revelation.

Evil comes quite naturally, it doesn’t need Christianity to prop it up. I know more than a few atheists who ruined their lives through alcoholism, which I consider to be an example of human nature running out of control.

If you want the challenge of studying a truly intellectual view, try Paul Ricoeur’s “The Symbolism of Evil.” Ricoeur’s philosophy of phenomenology comes highly recommended by Pope John Paul II himself.

What you need to do, maybe, is leave your militant materialism at the door and try to understand the actual views of Catholics. But as I said, I don’t think you’re here for any other purpose than to antagonize which, if you really think about it, is an insult to the dignity of every member of this forum. Again: perhaps evil, destruction, defect, etc. is inherent in the human condition, for as your posts show, even militant materialists are capable of gratuitous cruelty to others.

That’s my opinion.
 
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Raynd:
Christian atrocities with your faith?..Protestant and Catholic…are you aware of the history of these two denominations?..The very foundation…and bedrock of the church is built on millions upon millions of horrible deaths…how do you reconcile this? I’d like to know.
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I’m guessing you really are asking how we can justify war and killing when Christ said, “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will see God.” And, I’m also assuming you are referring to religious wars and killing as opposed to political, geographical wars? We absolutely have the right to defend our lives and the lives of our families. But to go looking for fights and killing - I would say, “Thou Shalt Not Kill” sums it up pretty well.

I’m not a history student by any means, but I am curious about the foundation of “the church” being built upon millions and millions of deaths. If you could elaborate, we could have meaningful dialogue and simply share. As it stands, however, your questions are not clear and are somewhat misleading.

Peace…
 
Raynd,

You didn’t answer my question: are you an Objectivist, that is, a follower of Ayn Rand?
 
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Sherlock:
Raynd,

You didn’t answer my question: are you an Objectivist, that is, a follower of Ayn Rand?
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Oh the irony could be rich - an Ayn Rand follower calling another philosophy a “cult.”
 
Ironic indeed! I spend some time on an Objectivist forum (covertly, as they don’t allow any disagreement) and Randroids are as cultish as they come.
 
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