How do you respond when a homosexual rights advocate claims you are "homophobic" and "bigoted"?

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Hey everyone. A Catholic friend of mine posted something about homosexuality on her Facebook wall and I responded that I have a gay friend but that I don’t support homosexual acts as they are gravely sinful. A homosexual rights advocate responded to me by calling me “homophobic”, “prejudiced”, and “bigoted”. How do I respond to such accusations? I posted what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say in response.
 
You could respond by pointing out that by reducing the to their sexual urges demeans them to the level of animals whereas Catholic teaching holds that people with same sex attraction have dignity just like every other person
 
Personally I just laugh in their face and give them a breakdown of the history of every society that’s valued homosexual relationships—everyone of them a highly patriarchal society, essentially valuing homosexuality because “Why would I fall in love with a mere woman?”

Then I inform them that, given the high correlation between gay men having high status and women being legal non-entities, the statistics say they’re not the one who gets to call people bigoted.
 
I am sorry that I understand many but not all gays of course lash out at Christianity and perceive Christianity as being against their lifestyle so then, with same sex marriages, they merely wish to enjoy the same rights under the law that heterosexuals have. To me, it is a real WWJD type of question. I am not for SS marriage but I am not in denying gays their rights either. I hope the issue is at least left up to states to vote for. Sorry, if mentioning Same Sex Marriage is a bit off topic from the OP.
 
If this lifestyle caused someone you cared about engaged in an activity that would significantly increase their chances of serious STDs, suicide, and sexual injury would the charitable thing to do would be not to encourage that lifestyle. If this lifestyle promoted values that were detrimental to our society like equating their relationship to a natural marriage and push porn on school children so that they can transform the world to accept them as they wish to be accepted. If this lifestyle seeks out to discredit and persecutes orthodox Christianity and call for a watered down form that would be supportive of their values should it be supported.

If all this and other things are true, then this lifestyle cannot be encouraged by people who profess that they are Christians. If they are not true then I am a bigoted Christian that accepts some archaic notions from an irrelevant old book and a silly church.

God Bless,
 
I probably wouldn’t argue about it on facebook.

But if I were in conversation with someone about this and they called me a bigot, I’d probably just give them an amused eyebrow raise. There’s nothing prejudiced or homophobic about arguing that certain actions (like homosexual sex) are inherently wrong or gravely disoreded, just like you’re not misogynistic for arguing against contraception. Attacking your person instead of your argument is a weak retort.
 
I would simply point out the obvious: The parts don’t fit. Therefore, homosexual activity and homosexual “marriage” are contrary to the way human beings are made – we call it the Natural Law.

Jim Dandy
 
In addition to the moral objections, I actually have a pragmatic objection to homosexual “marriage:” The United States Tax Code.

If society’s primary interest in marriage is reproductive (it is,) the marriage tax break should be reserved for those marriages where procreation could at least theoretically occur, meaning heterosexual unions. Otherwise, what you have is essentially two adults residing under one roof and splitting expenses. Nobody’s needed to stay home and take care of a new life, because there isn’t one. Why should they get a tax break?

Any other legal benefit of marriage is already available to individuals in a homosexual union. You can make a will and designate an heir. You can make an advanced directive and designate a health care proxy of your choice. You can purchase property jointly as a corporation. You can designate a dependent for insurance purposes. Single people can even adopt.

Again, why should two cohabitating people of the same gender get to be taxed at a lower rate than two single people who are living chastely?

Just my personal gripe about the matter, ever since I found out the homosexual couple down the street is now eligible to get taxed as “married,” while, since I file separately from my husband because of his irresponsibility, I get taxed as “single.”

Grrrrr!
 
Or the IRS should just tax everyone in the same manner, get rid of “married,” “single,” “head of household.”

Can you tell I don’t particularly LIKE “rendering to Caesar”?—LOL!
 
odile53 said:
Or the IRS should just tax everyone in the same manner, get rid of “married,” “single,” “head of household.”

Can you tell I don’t particularly LIKE “rendering to Caesar”?—LOL!
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So then you like receiving services—national defense and law and order, at the very minimum—without paying for them?

Sorry, but since the state provides the peace and order that make it possible for you to do business, it gets a cut. There is no such thing as a free lunch.

The trouble comes in when people want the state to do everything else, too, and that causes it to levy ever more burdensome taxes.
 
MarcusAndreas said:
Tell them how heterophobic they are. 😃
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I say to them, “the term homophobic is a psychological condition that you don’t have the qualifications to diagnose. Just being against gay marriage does not make you homophobic. How shallow of you to just call names instead of debating the issue. Cheers”
 
Tell them that bullying people with hurtful language and trying to silence what they really think is just plain wrong.

And ironic.
 
Holly3278 said:
Hey everyone. A Catholic friend of mine posted something about homosexuality on her Facebook wall and I responded that I have a gay friend but that I don’t support homosexual acts as they are gravely sinful. A homosexual rights advocate responded to me by calling me “homophobic”, “prejudiced”, and “bigoted”. How do I respond to such accusations? I posted what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say in response.
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Hi Holly,

Lots of folks have given good responses that are fair enough. I will only say that none of this is likely to give pause to an advocate of homosexuality. Realistically, this is a very heated disagreement and debates generally go nowhere.

I would only engage if you thought you could influence third parties; the advocate will not be convinced and your time is best spent elsewhere. If you do want to debate, keep it as unemotional and reasonable as possible. If you meet anger and hostility with kindness and reason, then third parties might respond well to that.

Personally, I like Jim Dandy’s approach, but modified so that it sounds as chartiable and as objective as possible. Homosexual acts have nothing to do with how the human body is structured, and they don’t have a point outside of personal gratification. The heterosexual Act, on the other hand, procreates the human race.

God Bless,
Joan
 
But how does one end up in situations like this? I mean, I can understand getting uncharitable comments on your Facebook, Livejournal, Blog, or whatever, if you post something remotely anti-gay or maybe even just pro-Catholic. And I can see arguing with someone in a dialog on a forum. But when it comes to real live conversations…are you guys actually going up to gay people and telling them they are sinning? I don’t have an occassion to dabate the issue with people in real life.

I suppose if I did, I’d just cite what the CCC says, like I did in another thread. But I don’t get all this fighting and bickering in real life. 🤷
 
Rence said:
I suppose if I did, I’d just cite what the CCC says, like I did in another thread. But I don’t get all this fighting and bickering in real life. 🤷
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Rence, your absolutely right, as you are often. I am baffled at some of these posts-are people really like this in “real life”? I don’t think I’ve ever debated someone or argued with them in real life at a party or anything. It’s just not the time or the place. Bite your tongue, smile and walk away!
 
Holly3278 said:
Hey everyone. A Catholic friend of mine posted something about homosexuality on her Facebook wall and I responded that I have a gay friend but that I don’t support homosexual acts as they are gravely sinful. A homosexual rights advocate responded to me by calling me “homophobic”, “prejudiced”, and “bigoted”. How do I respond to such accusations? I posted what the Catechism of the Catholic Church has to say in response.
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I would tell them it’s hard to be “prejudiced”, “bigoted” and “homophobic” when these same acts are regarded as being gravely sinful regardless of the person’s sexuality. It’s not prejudice when the rules apply to everyone. :tiphat:
 
Rascalking said:
I don’t think I’ve ever debated someone or argued with them in real life at a party or anything. It’s just not the time or the place. Bite your tongue, smile and walk away!
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We had conversations about stuff like this in college all the time.
 
Rence said:
But how does one end up in situations like this? I mean, I can understand getting uncharitable comments on your Facebook, Livejournal, Blog, or whatever, if you post something remotely anti-gay or maybe even just pro-Catholic. And I can see arguing with someone in a dialog on a forum. But when it comes to real live conversations…are you guys actually going up to gay people and telling them they are sinning? I don’t have an occassion to dabate the issue with people in real life.

I suppose if I did, I’d just cite what the CCC says, like I did in another thread. But I don’t get all this fighting and bickering in real life. 🤷
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This is a great question. I can tell you how I did. I had a family member (through marriage) try to convince me that the CC was wrong when it came to SSA and their sexual expression. They were, I thought, devout Catholics. Needless to say, their stance shocked me.
 
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