How does a Catholic in my situation have rational faith?

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Ultimately your decision to believe or not to believe is determined by what you value most in life. It is not only the intellect that needs to be satisfied but your whole personality. What is the most adequate explanation of love?
 
I think it is important to understand that faith by definition, is not rational. ‘Rational faith’ is an oxymoron.
Faith is trust, hope and belief in the goodness, trustworthiness or reliability of a person, concept or entity.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith

Belief is subjectively accepting something regardless of its validity or soundness. Belief itself cannot prove anything.
 
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Can I have authentic, rational, and saving faith in a God whose existence has not been demonstrated to my intellectual satisfaction yet? To have faith during this search, must I take irrational leap? Or is there something I am not seeing?
Well you can at least have a saving faith that is not irrational and through it become more rational than most any person you encounter, but you must take an arational leap (which is different from an irrational one mind you). As for whether your faith is good or not while you examine your faith, it most certainly can be. Fides Quarens Intellectum, after all friend. As long as you are not rejecting your faith while you search for reasons of it then it is not just good, it is a sign of true faith, and more importantly, true love of God. That is, as long as your search is trying to understand the faith and God more and isn’t trying to disprove it, then it is fine.

Three truths have helped me in a situation like yours. I am extremely analytically minded and I assume you are as well:

1.) Most importantly, its more about what you love than what you know. Adhering to something without being sure of it is a sure sign of a loving free consent to that thing. If you saw reason necessitated it rather than just supported it, your faith in it would be a little bit more forced. In other words, you have just been given a bit more freedom in having the intellectual uncertainty you know do. Use it wisely. In all this don’t reject reason, just understand its limits.
2.) You cannot avoid adhering to a truth claim. If you refrain from the assent of your intellect (faith) to the Holy Catholic faith because you lack sight, then you implicitly hold the position that 'it is better to refrain from such faith without more certain sight’ which I am sure you lack sure proof of as well. That is, even the agnostic makes a faith claim :D. Effectively, to suspend faith in the Catholic Church to look for alternative or even proof is to give your faith to something else 😉 This means you cannot avoid holding something without proof, so why not have it in Christ and the Church?
3.)**Remember the words of St. Peter in John 6. ** If not the Catholic Church, to where shall you turn? We don’t reject something unless there is something that is clearly better to turn to. This is how we find solutions to arguments even when we don’t immediately see anything wrong with them. Of course, we clearly don’t love something if we are purposely trying to find something better.

As for your search, give the Cur Deus Homo of St. Anselm a read if you get the chance.
 
Thank you for the recommendations and for the well-wishes. Augustine and Aquinas might be the most helpful authors because my question is philosophical and theological, not apologetical. Is it possible for a Catholic who is re-examining the motives of his faith to still have an authentic, rational, and saving [faith] while he does so? That is a difficult question, I think.
It is not difficult if you accept the moral teaching of Jesus - which is eminently rational! 🙂
 
In other words, here and now, is it possible for me to have authentic, rational, and saving faith even if I have not convinced myself of the preambula fidei yet? Or must my faith be fideistic if I am to have faith at all here and now?
Hi PM,

I decided to use this formulation of your question since it makes the most sense to me. Before I can give an answer though, I want to look at what the Church teaches about the relationship between reason and faith.

A good place to start is the encyclical from Pope JPII FIDES ET RATIO. In some ways it is a difficult read, but I’m not asking that you analyze the entire encyclical, unless you wish. I just want to bring up a couple of points that I think are helpful.

First, the term “faith” is normally used in this context as trust in another person to convey the truth reliably. “Reason” is the independent act of the human mind to determine truth. In his comment on Fides Et Ratio, Alvin Plantinga puts it this way:

The pope doesn’t say so here, but the Thomistic reason for observing this distinction is that (so the thought goes) to know or believe something by way of faith is to know or believe it on the basis of someone else’s say-so, testimony; but what you learn for yourself, by way of reason, is something you “know better,” something that has more epistemic clout, a higher kind of epistemic status, for you than what you believe on the authority of someone else (even God). For example, if I believe the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus on the authority of my mathematician friend Paul, I don’t know it as well as if I learn the appropriate bit of mathematics and come myself to see how the proof goes. (But isn’t this doubtful? Given my mathematical limitations and my dubious grasp of the proof, perhaps I’d be better off believing on Paul’s authority.") [Plantinga](file:///C:/Users/todg.CMD-LAW/Desktop/a_response_to_pope_john_paul_IIs_fides_et_ratio.doc.htm)

While I don’t agree with everything Plantinga says in this article, his illustration is a good one of how often our faith in other people and their conclusions exceed our confidence in our own reasoning. Everybody does this, regardless of whether that faith is in God or in the institutional Church. When we find a person to be trustworthy and knowledgeable about what he reveals to us, we usually continue to rely upon that person; even to the point where we claim we “know” things based upon the testimony of that person. This is also why we can claim a rational faith.

Second, according to FIDES ET RATIO, faith and reason can never contradict each other. In fact, they supplement and support one another. In Plantinga’s example, if I do independently apprehend and understand the details of the mathematical theorem, I will have even more faith in my friend Paul. On the other hand, that my friend Paul gave me the correct conclusion assisted me in finding the way to use my own reasoning to come to the conclusion myself. It is where it appears to me (you) that reason contradicts faith in God and the Church that we must make a choice; whether it be a dilemma concerning the existence of God, the Incarnation of Christ, or the authority of the Catholic Church. We have few choices in this situation: my reasoning must be wrong, my faith must be wrong, or both my reasoning and faith must be wrong. With that being said, I will try to address your question.

I don’t think you must become a fideist simply because you are experiencing doubts about the preambula fidei. I think this would only be true if you asserted your faith claims in positive contradiction to reason. As others here have suggested, if it is only a doubt (likely a specific one) of whether your reason comports with faith then I don’t see how you are deprived of rational and saving faith. I think that can only happen when you make a judgment that your reason in some particular is superior and in opposition to faith in God and the Church.
 
Thank you for the recommendations and for the well-wishes. Augustine and Aquinas might be the most helpful authors because my question is philosophical and theological, not apologetical. Is it possible for a Catholic who is re-examining the motives of his faith to still have an authentic, rational, and saving [faith] while he does so? That is a difficult question, I think.
Yes, it is. I’ve been there myself, and know what you’re talking about.

I also know that just telling you this or that book title or author to investigate is not going to help, because everyone is different, and a book/author which appeals to one person may leave someone else cold. (For example, I’m a big fan of C.S. Lewis but I have friends who can’t stand him.)

For me, what has helped me through times like what you’re going through has simply been to examine my own life - meditating on the situations which brought me from where I started to where I am now.

Just as an example, I can look back now to a period of time when I was in my early 20s, not going to church or spending any time at all thinking about God. Yet God had not forgotten about me, and I can see how my experiences and the people I knew at that time ultimately brought me closer to Him.

Don’t know if that makes any sense to you, but it does help me, during my periods of doubt and uncertainty, to turn around and look at the road I’ve been on and see how, as the Irish say, God has been “writing straight with crooked lines”. 🙂
 
I don’t think you lose Faith because you have doubts anymore than you lose Courage because you have fear. The value of a virtue is found when it is tested.

Christ Himself called out from the cross, asking “God, God, why have You foresaken me?” Can we expect ourselves not to feel doubt?

You might want to look at the classic “Dark Night of the Soul” by St. John of the Cross, for another examination of the crisis of faith.
 
Thank you for the recommendations and for the well-wishes. Augustine and Aquinas might be the most helpful authors because my question is philosophical and theological, not apologetical. Is it possible for a Catholic who is re-examining the motives of his faith to still have an authentic, rational, and saving [faith] while he does so? That is a difficult question, I think.
There was a time when there were a number of catholic beliefs that I admitted I couldn’t believe because I didn’t know how such a thing could be possible. I never let the idea that what the Church teaches is impossible become a belief that structures my perception of reality. In time, one by one, my experiencial knowledge contained the dots required to connect the concepts that make what the Church teaches believable.
 
I am a Catholic. Up until now, I have trusted my parents and the Church that Catholicism is true. That trust was rational, I think, because it is rational for children to have faith that their parents know better than them. However, now that I have matured, my intellect no longer finds the basis for that trust satisfying. I am currently researching the preambles to the faith and the motives of credibility. Ok, while I am searching, can I still have faith in God and in the Church that is AUTHENTIC and RATIONAL and SAVING? Or is it the case that my faith is suspended until I can convince myself of the existence of God and the authority of the Catholic Church?

In other words, how does a Catholic in my situation have a faith that is authentic, rational, and saving despite the fact that my intellect is not satisfied (yet) of the existence of God, the claims of Christ, and the authority of the Catholic Church?

The Catholic Church is astonishingly wise, so I know there is an answer to my question, but I just do not know what it is!
Stop worrying about your intellect.
Put your intellect in the back seat, and your faith in the front seat.
 
I am not sure if this is helpful. Both intellect and faith need to work together for me.***<—Not really…but it’s a failing that I think everyone has to different degrees, so it’s not just you or the other poster. Overcoming it to the greatest degree possible (rather than humoring it) is a good thing. ***
I think we both know there’s much more in the Bible about faith than there is about intellect.

My favorite…
Matthew 9:24
23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
God wants faith, and that’s why a person’s presumed intellectualism needs to be in the back seat and their faith in the front seat.

You can choose to pursue faith rather than intellect.
 
You can choose to pursue faith rather than intellect.
You talk as if intellect is a bad thing, standing in the way of faith. This is not true. You cannot have faith without consent of the intellect, and the Catholic Church has a long history of putting faith on a rational basis, and it has explicitly condemned fideism – faith just for faith’s sake.
 
You talk as if intellect is a bad thing, standing in the way of faith.<—Intellect doesn’t necessarily stand in the way of faith, but CAN stand in the way of faith. One person’s intellect tells him God doesn’t exist and another’s intellect tells him God does exist. *** This is not true. You cannot have faith without consent of the intellect, <—consent of the intellect and dependence on the intellect are two different things. and the Catholic Church has a long history of putting faith on a rational basis, <—Faith is rational but doesn’t need to be intellectual. and it has explicitly condemned fideism – faith just for faith’s sake.<—not talking about faith just for faith’s sake***
Faith does not have to depend on intellectualism. That’s why one’s presumed intellect belongs in the back seat and faith in the front seat.
 
Faith does not have to depend on intellectualism. That’s why one’s presumed intellect belongs in the back seat and faith in the front seat.
Perhaps we are talking about two different things here, but just to clarify:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fideism#Fideism_rejected_by_the_Catholic_Church

From there:

Pope John Paul II’s encyclical Fides et Ratio also affirms that God’s existence is in fact demonstrable by reason, and that attempts to reason otherwise are the results of sin. In the encyclical, John Paul II warned against “a resurgence of fideism, which fails to recognize the importance of rational knowledge and philosophical discourse for the understanding of faith, indeed for the very possibility of belief in God.”

The original poster specifically asked about rational faith.
Stop worrying about your intellect.
Put your intellect in the back seat, and your faith in the front seat.
In light of the above, your answer was advice that does not square with the teachings of the Catholic Church.
 
Perhaps we are talking about two different things here, but just to clarify:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fideism#Fideism_rejected_by_the_Catholic_Church

From there:

Pope John Paul II’s encyclical Fides et Ratio also affirms that God’s existence is in fact demonstrable by reason, and that attempts to reason otherwise are the results of sin. In the encyclical, John Paul II warned against “a resurgence of fideism, which fails to recognize the importance of rational knowledge and philosophical discourse for the understanding of faith, indeed for the very possibility of belief in God.”

The original poster specifically asked about rational faith.

In light of the above, your answer was advice that does not square with the teachings of the Catholic Church.
In other words, how does a Catholic in my situation have a faith that is authentic, rational, and saving despite the fact that my intellect is not satisfied (yet) of the existence of God, the claims of Christ, and the authority of the Catholic Church?
The OP asked how he could have rational faith DESPITE his intellect.
The answer is to put the intellect in the back seat and the faith in the front seat.
If intellect gets in the way of faith then it’s time to stop going on about your intellect and pray for help. You don’t need to humor your intellect to have faith.
Mark 9
23 Jesus said unto him, If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.
24 And straightway the father of the child cried out, and said with tears, Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief.
I’m sure there plenty of intellectual reasons for the above man’s doubt.
 
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