How does immortality of God follow?

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We are uncaused cause since we can interrupt a chain of causality and decide. Where is free decision come from? If your answer is a previous thing then the decision is not free and we are simply following a chain of causality.
 
We are uncaused cause since we can interrupt a chain of causality and decide
No you already established meaning of “uncaused” in “uncaused cause”
The fact that uncuased cause does not have a prior cause
You have a prior cause (your parents) thus are not an uncaused cause
 
No you already established meaning of “uncaused” in “uncaused cause”
Can you decide freely? You are uncaused cause if you believe so. Otherwise we are simply chains of causality.
You have a prior cause (your parents) thus are not an uncaused cause
Your mind doesn’t have any cause since it is uncaused cause. Your body is caused. That is true since you can freely decide.
 
Can you freely decide?
Now you are just making up your own definitions. If you want to play the game (argue philosophy) you have to follow the rules (established definitions, etc.).
 
The very fact that you can interrupt a chain of causality and decide means that you are not a part of chain of causality therefore you are uncaused cause. How could be caused and freely decide, interrupt a chain of causality?
 
Free decision means that you can choose an option in a situation with at least two options. By free I mean that you are not following a chain of causality when you decide.
 
The very fact that you can interrupt a chain of causality and decide means that you are not a part of chain of causality therefore you are uncaused cause.
Incorrect. Your very existence (both physical and mental) was caused so you cannot be uncaused in any way shape or form.
 
Do you have any proof that I, my mind, am caused? Needless to say that the fact that I am caused has nothing to do with being uncaused cause when we decide.
 
The very fact that you can interrupt a chain of causality and decide means that you are not a part of chain of causality therefore you are uncaused cause. How could be caused and freely decide, interrupt a chain of causality?
I can add my own voluntary causal powers to a non-voluntary chain of causes, but I don’t “stop them,” exactly.
 
you are not following a chain of causality when you decide
But that does not make you uncaused.

You really must use the definitions of the words established for this field of study. For example, the word “proof” seems relatively simple, but it has markedly different, and very specific, meanings depending on whether you are speaking with a mathematician, a lawyer, or a distiller.
 
So now we have three contradicting definitions of uncaused cause
The fact that uncuased cause does not have a prior cause
You are uncaused cause if you believe so
uncaused cause since we can interrupt a chain of causality and decide.
As someone said, we can’t have a discussion unless we all agree on the same established definition, i.e. first one you listed above.
 
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We normally follow a chain of causality. Think of the situation that you keep writing on a subject to someone. Don’t you have the power to stop writing?
 
It makes you uncaused since you were not able to create a chain of causality or interrupt it if you could not freely decide.
 
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