How does one be traditional when there are no traditional parishes?

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I believe holy days of obligation should be celebrated on the actual day. I go to daily mass whenever I can. Celebrating on the holy days gives me another reason to go to mass. What was the reason for transfer the holy days to a Sunday?

I have a pre 1962 calender (think its called ordo calender) and I got it from an Anglican Catholic Church where I have to go if I want to celebrate the holy day on its actual day. They celebrated Epiphany on the Epiphany and actually had a vigil service on the 5th.

Come to think of it, the Anglican Catholic Mass is celebrated exactly like the preVatican II Mass and even has folks kneel at the rail for communion. The only difference it is said in what I consider ‘old english’ but I do like it.

I would like to purchase the 1962 missal so thanks to whoever it was that posted the link!
 
BrushedByAngels said:
I believe holy days of obligation should be celebrated on the actual day. I go to daily mass whenever I can. Celebrating on the holy days gives me another reason to go to mass. What was the reason for transfer the holy days to a Sunday?

I have a pre 1962 calender (think its called ordo calender) and I got it from an Anglican Catholic Church where I have to go if I want to celebrate the holy day on its actual day. They celebrated Epiphany on the Epiphany and actually had a vigil service on the 5th.

Come to think of it, the Anglican Catholic Mass is celebrated exactly like the preVatican II Mass and even has folks kneel at the rail for communion. The only difference it is said in what I consider ‘old english’ but I do like it.

I would like to purchase the 1962 missal so thanks to whoever it was that posted the link!
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I’m not sure if you realize this, but so-called “Anglo-Catholics” are not actually Catholics: they are not in communion with the Pope, their holy orders are invalid, and it is forbidden for a Roman Catholic to receive the sacraments from them.
 
MarkThompson said:
I’m not sure if you realize this, but so-called “Anglo-Catholics” are not actually Catholics: they are not in communion with the Pope, their holy orders are invalid, and it is forbidden for a Roman Catholic to receive the sacraments from them.
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Yes, I know we are not allowed to go up for communion 🤷
 
I thought the traditional catholics do not receive communion if (and when) they attend the new mass. I thought I had read somewhere in this forum that it is not valid?
 
BrushedByAngels said:
I thought the traditional catholics do not receive communion if (and when) they attend the new mass. I thought I had read somewhere in this forum that it is not valid?
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That is not true. Since both forms of the Mass are both licit and valid according to the Pope in his 2007 modu proprio, you can receive Communion at either one. It’s just that some ultra traditional Catholics, particularly the schismatic types, do not see the OF (Novus Ordo) as licit and/or valid, so they don’t receive Communion there, and they seem to do everything they can to encourage others to do the same. For me, it’s a case of “Roma locuta est, causa finita est,” (Rome has spoken, the case is closed).

Concerning the original question, you could always search YouTube for videos of the EF Mass for the feast day that you want to attend, but can’t. Of course you’re not physicly there at the Mass, but it can definitely put your mind in the right place. Attending the weekday OF Mass on that day isn’t a bad idea, since you’ll be in Christ’s Eucharistic presence, and you can receive the Eucharist, but you can always watch the YouTube video of the EF when you get home. You receive the same Christ at either Mass.
 
texasag7599 said:
I love my parish and the people in it. It is about as traditional as one can get without actually having a Latin Mass and using the traditional calendar. It’s already the most traditional parish within driving distance so I don’t really have a choice in attending somewhere else.

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you also have the option if simply being an unlabeled Catholic and worshipping with the universal Church in your own rite
 
puzzleannie said:
you also have the option if simply being an unlabeled Catholic and worshipping with the universal Church in your own rite
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Could you clarify? I don’t understand, what is universal church in your own rite?

Thanks!
 
BrushedByAngels said:
I thought the traditional catholics do not receive communion if (and when) they attend the new mass. I thought I had read somewhere in this forum that it is not valid?
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That isn’t traditional, that is schismatic.The new mass is most certainly valid.
 
BrushedByAngels said:
Could you clarify? I don’t understand, what is universal church in your own rite?

Thanks!
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if you are member of the Latin rite you worship in your parish of that rite, you follow that calendar, you worship in that rite, observe those disciplines, and thesame with the various Eastern rites. there is no need to make up a so-called traditional rite, and certainly not with the intent to avoid worship when you can’t find a parish with a Mass that suits your personal preference
 
The Motu Proprio gave the laity the right to the Latin Mass. The intention is to allow Traditional Catholics the right to worship according to the old books. If your Bishop and Priests are not giving you the opportunity to worship as a Traditional Catholic, you have every right to assist at a local SSPX Mass as referred to in Msgr. Perl’s letters from the PCED.

The advice to simply suck it up and attend your local NO is uncharitable. The Pope has reached out to Traditional Catholics through SP and has recognized their valid aspirations to worship under the 1962 Missal. They have been treated as second class citizens for too long and he wished to remedy this.
 
renewamerica.com/columns/mershon/080711
…Q: Do lay Catholics who frequent Society of St. Pius X chapels, either more less frequently, incur any sin or canonical delict by doing so, if done solely out of devotion to the Church’s Latin liturgical tradition and not to separate one’s self from communion with one’s diocesan Ordinary or local pastor?
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PCED: "Catholics who frequent the chapels of the Society of St. Pius X do not incur any sin or canonical delict by doing so…
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TrueMass said:
The advice to simply suck it up and attend your local NO is uncharitable. The Pope has reached out to Traditional Catholics through SP and has recognized their valid aspirations to worship under the 1962 Missal. They have been treated as second class citizens for too long and he wished to remedy this.
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But it’s important to note that if the “local NO” is the only way to meet your obligation to attend Mass on a Sunday or Holy Day, then you must go, even if there are lots of abuses and you despise much of the way they do things. You also should still fully participate - to the extent that the actions you participate in are licit and actually part of the Order of Mass (even if you don’t like them). Work for change, yes, but you must go in the meantime.
 
Bbigam said:
But it’s important to note that if the “local NO” is the only way to meet your obligation to attend Mass on a Sunday or Holy Day, then you must go, even if there are lots of abuses and you despise much of the way they do things. You also should still fully participate - to the extent that the actions you participate in are licit and actually part of the Order of Mass (even if you don’t like them). Work for change, yes, but you must go in the meantime.
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I think, under the letter I linked to, one could go to an SSPX Mass for love of the 62 Missal and it fulfills one’s Sunday obligation even if there are diocesan NO’s around.

If the NO is your only option, I’d say there are still some cases where if the particular NO that is your only option is so bad as to be sacrilegious or cease to be Catholic you’d be justified in staying home and praying. There is a canon in canon law which says one could do this if assisting at Mass was a moral, not physical, impossibility.
 
TrueMass said:
If the NO is your only option, I’d say there are still some cases where if the particular NO that is your only option is so bad as to be sacrilegious or cease to be Catholic you’d be justified in staying home and praying. There is a canon in canon law which says one could do this if assisting at Mass was a moral, not physical, impossibility.
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You are right only if the the hierarchy of the Church decided that the Mass in your area is sacrilegious. No laymen is authorized to make such decision.

If you think there is canon law otherwise please quote, so we can talk about it.

For Catholics there is strict difference between assisting at Mass and attending Mass.
 
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