SP means Summorum Pontificum, a Moto Proprio issued by Pope Benedict on July 7, 2007:I’m slow today…well, mayne not just today…but: SP?
Thanks!SP means Summorum Pontificum, a Moto Proprio issued by Pope Benedict on July 7, 2007:
ewtn.com/library/papaldoc/b16summorumpontificum.htm
Tolerance is not the same as putting up with abuse that can and should be avoided. There are times that we have to tolerate a certain amount of abuse, because we can’t reach out and pop the other person. You grin and bear it.
Good. That means that I can keep up with you.
I’m not sure it’s correct to say that a person who worries about SP being overruled needs help to refocus on something more productive. We can’t really dictate, IMO, what other Catholics should be thinking and doing, or what they should choose as being productive. This amounts to wanting to control others, which in itself can be counterproductive.
So what should we do when we see or hear someone worrying about something that has not happened yet, something that no one has given an indication is in the process of happening, and in the end he or she has no control of what will happen?
Perhaps remind them, in charity, that Jesus himself explicitly stated that we are not to worry. Worry denotes a lack of trust in God and a desire to be in control. I myself cannot understand why some people worry about this, as the subject has never, ever been alluded to by our Pope. I think to plant the seeds of unnecessary concern and worry and suspicion in someone without sufficient reason is leading others astray, and Jesus had something to say about that, too.
You’re misunderstanding me. I don’t mean it that way. Let me try this.
Why didn’t I think of saying it this way?
I tried reading the link another person kindly posted for me… could someone, anyone 'splain it to me, using little words?
Summorum Pontificum is the document by Benedict XVI that freed up the use of the Extraodinary Form of the Mass, also called the TLM. It is Mass celebrated according the the Missal that was in use prior to 1969 when the Ordinary Form (what we celebrate now) was introduced.I tried reading the link another person kindly posted for me… could someone, anyone 'splain it to me, using little words?
When trust is eroded, not matter whether you’re on the left or the right, people don’t realize how defensive they become. When they become defensive, it’s a short walk to becoming offensive. Think of a cornered cat. All of us need to work self-control.
You’re just a kid.
I had such an experience on Sunday when two women in front of me decided to start a conversation before mass and the lady next to me had three kids and two of them started to play, again before mass. I wanted to pray. The only choice I had was pray through it or find another seat. The church was full. That narrowed it down to no choice but pray through it.
I would agree. God is not a hypersensitive as we are. He knows us very well and knows what’s in our hearts. God doesn’t sweat the simple things. I’m reminded of several things in scripture. The one story is Jesus eating with sinners and tax collectors. OK, maybe if I see Jesus eating with the IRS man it might raise my eyebrow.
But he didn’t seem to sweat that. He was looking into their hearts and dealing with them at that level. The other story is similar, when the disciples are eating on the Sabbath. “The Sabbath is made for man, not man for the Sabbath.” That rule has not changed, because it’s common sense.
Hello again, Brother JReducation,
Now you’ve peaked my curiosity. What’s the difference between a traditionalist with upper case and lower T.
The issue with popes is that we forget that popes are human beings. Every human being has his own personality. Every human being has his personal history, which comes to the job with him and usually influences his agenda. And every human being looks at the Church through his window, not someone else’s window. It’s the old thing about four people at an intersection watching two cars collide. There are going to be similarities and differences in their reports, because of different perspectives.
Do I really want to ask? :nope:" … and being a Trekkie, I have even seen the “Our Father” translated into the Klingon language!"
I agree. I also feel that Latin is not going to disappear, just because it’s not commonly used. It still remains the liturgical language of the Latin Church. By the way, for those who don’t know, it’s not called the Latin Church because we used the Latin language. It’s the Latin Church, because it’s the Church of the Latin (Roman) world.
I was taking a bit of a light-hearted dig at myself, but I do get too personally involved with posts sometimes.
The way I see it personally, “Traditionalist” stands for someone from the SSPX (technically non-Catholic) who loves the Latin Mass while “traditionalist” stands for a Catholic who follows the Pope and loves the Latin Mass. This is by no means a universal definition, but rather my own idiosyncratic way of looking at things. And whether spelled in lower case or with a capital letter, I find the term itself confusing and would have to ask whoever calls himself or herself a “T / traditionalist” what the term personally means to that individual. Which is why I’ve come to prefer the phrase “Catholic who follows the Pope.”
Way back in the history of Star Trek fandom, (I would rather not say how far back), there were some Protestants (likely nondenominational or evangelical, I’m not sure) who started a group called Klingons for Christ. Yes, seriously. I’m not sure whether this group still exists, haven’t heard about it in years. And no, I did not join the group. However, apparently, some of these people became members of the Klingon Language Institute. Well, that’s the short answer.
It definitely was interesting in Spain to attend the Latin Mass in la Catedral Vieja in Salamanca, and hear the Gospel and homily in Spanish rather than English.