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lisahiku
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all of the new changes, how drastic will they be? really noticeable or just here and there? If anyone can clue me in, I would appreciate it!
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Seatuck
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oneGODoneCHURCH
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The order of the Mass is not changing at all. The wording is all that is changing.
Instead of saying “and also with you” we will say " as with your spirit"
the confiteor is changing from “that I have sinned
through my own fault” to “that I have greatly sinned … through my fault,
through my fault,
through my most grievous fault;”
there are other changes of this nature in the Gloria, the Creed, Etc…
but nothing earth shaking. Just some correction to the English translation of the Latin.
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joclucsylv
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That will take some getting used to!!
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jsaldar
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Yes getting used to indeed. It sounds strange. Why change the words? They still say the same.
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Little_One0307
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Not drastic at all for me. The translations are a bit more faithful to the orginal Latin, and the Latin comes easy to me. So it is going to feel more natural for me. I think I am the only odd ball here. 
God bless.
God bless.
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Prod_Daughter
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Nah…I am too! I’m actually so excited for the changes! I love Latin, and the fact the English will be closer to way it was intended, just makes it all the better!!!Not drastic at all for me. The translations are a bit more faithful to the orginal Latin, and the Latin comes easy to me. So it is going to feel more natural for me. I think I am the only odd ball here.
God bless.
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Little_One0307
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Yeah for the odd-balls. :tiphat:
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Dorothy
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I’m with the odd-balls too! 
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Allegra
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I also think the changes are good.
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agnes_therese
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No, you’re not.Not drastic at all for me. The translations are a bit more faithful to the orginal Latin, and the Latin comes easy to me. So it is going to feel more natural for me. I think I am the only odd ball here.
God bless.
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mdgspencer
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It may seem that the new form of the mass will take getting used to for many people. However, I am old enough to well remember when the present form of the mass was introduced in the 1960s, and there were no efforts that I recall to prepare the people for its introduction. In spite of this, I don’t remember hearing any complaints at the time, and people generally accepted then without problems, and quickly got used to it.
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ProVobis
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You really think so? Would a first-year Latin student translate “Dominus vobiscum” as “The Lord be with you”? Or “Sursum corda” as “Lift up your hearts”? Or “sanctificetur nomen tuum” as “hallowed be thy name”? Not trying to start a translation debate but I don’t think it’s really possible for English to mirror Latin in the liturgical sense, if you know what I mean. Not like Polish, for example, where word order, thought flow, and grammar can be retained though it has its own translation shortcomings. One thing my dad taught me is to never become enamored with a translation. An Italian opera just isn’t the same in another language. And sooner or later, if you really love it, you’ll find a way to understand the Italian, whether you’re Italian or not.
That said, I agree with “consubstantial” and “for many.” There were a lot of criticisms of those in the 1967 translations.
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Aelred_Minor
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It looks like the changes will be subtle, but pervasive.
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LoyalViews
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Yep, the changes coming are extremely good. The original translation (or at least, what’s in use now) is bland, and only a paraphrase of the original Latin, and even contain some errors, though nothing too bad. Another difference which is noticeable is in the consecration, where instead of “for you and for all”, “for you and for many” is used, and instead of “cup”, “chalice” is used. Absolutely wonderful and great
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Little_One0307
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Key word in my post was a “bit” more faithful. I am still not thrilled at all with the new translations, but they are a “bit” better than what we use now.
God bless.
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NewsTheMan
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They’re a change, enough so that 2 years on people in my parish are still making mistakes in the wording.
Yes, remember, the South African Bishops ‘implemented’ these changes in 2008 already so we have had them for a while. Big mistake. Implementing these changes was poor, so now the liturgy is even more confused, Priests weren’t told why these changes were being made, nor the laity, and so the Mass - as I see it - has now become more confused in South Africa. But that is another issue. So I hope that the coming changes go smoothly for you
Yes, remember, the South African Bishops ‘implemented’ these changes in 2008 already so we have had them for a while. Big mistake. Implementing these changes was poor, so now the liturgy is even more confused, Priests weren’t told why these changes were being made, nor the laity, and so the Mass - as I see it - has now become more confused in South Africa. But that is another issue. So I hope that the coming changes go smoothly for you
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odile53
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They’re subtle, but tend to be a little more formal than everyday English. I’d be willing to bet that within six months, most people in the pews will find the responses pretty easy. I for one am pretty happy that English grammatical nightmares will finally be cleaned up. “And also with you” has annoyed me for the past forty or so years! Plus, that particular response always has been reminiscent of “likewise, I’m sure.” Just a little too sloppy for Mass.
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ProVobis
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Yes, but this has been so ingrained in society that the response is made inside and outside the Mass and in Protestant services and other gatherings as well. In fact anything that sounds like “______ be with you” invokes the “and also with you” response.
As much as people now dislike the 1967 ICEL translations, you have to admit that they laid some heavy imprints on the English-speaking world. Just like grammatical inaccuracies like “between you and I” or “it’s me” or “who did you give it to” that have become the norm and will ultimately lead to the corruption of the language altogether. Unfortunately most people who speak only English and have no exposure to an ancient codified language can’t see this.
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TrueLight
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I’m curious as to how the chanting is going to change for the below.
Current
Priest: The Lord be with you.
People:And also with you.
Priest: Lift up your hearts.
People: We lift them up to the Lord.
Priest:Let us give thanks to the Lord our God.
People:It is right to give him thanks and praise.
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Priest: The Lord be with you.
People: And with your spirit.
Priest: Lift up your hearts.
People: We lift them up to the Lord.
Priest: Let us give thanks
to the Lord our God.
People: It is right and just.
Everything can be sort of adusted in the chant until you get to the “it is right and just”. I’m curious to know if it will be a
**“it is ri-i-ight| an-an-and| ju-ust.” **
Or maybe the chant will be eliminated completely and they’ll just say it.
Any music directors know?
Current
Priest: The Lord be with you.
People:And also with you.
Priest: Lift up your hearts.
People: We lift them up to the Lord.
Priest:Let us give thanks to the Lord our God.
People:It is right to give him thanks and praise.
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Priest: The Lord be with you.
People: And with your spirit.
Priest: Lift up your hearts.
People: We lift them up to the Lord.
Priest: Let us give thanks
to the Lord our God.
People: It is right and just.
Everything can be sort of adusted in the chant until you get to the “it is right and just”. I’m curious to know if it will be a
**“it is ri-i-ight| an-an-and| ju-ust.” **
Or maybe the chant will be eliminated completely and they’ll just say it.
Any music directors know?
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