How God could prove that He is the creator?

[STT]

How can God prove He is the Creator?

A) God has to make Himself known to that which He creates.

How to get there -

Since creation is only able to work within the limits God sets for it (the nature of said creation)…

For God to make Himself known, He must work within the limits of the creation.

There wouldn’t be a more efficacious way than incarnation (drawing Himself into His work).

Doesn’t mean it’s the only way -

Prior (or post) of the point in time that the Creator of time chooses to enter time and take on the nature of creation (work in creation’s limits) -

There may be identifiable efforts to study (if they were recorded, or remembered and passed down)…

AND -

If it is God’s will to - make Himself known.

So you think that God can prove that He is the creator without explaining how. The act of creation is done. There will be no more creation to be used to justify the claim. You can claim that you are a carpenter and as a matter of proof make a chair without this people have right to doubt about your claim.

 

[STT]

Your argument is not sufficient to counter the point. To “prove” something is to provide evidence for it. If God were to infuse complete and perfect knowledge of His creation, including the fact that He did it and including the knowledge of all of God’s actions in creation throughout time, that would absolutely be sufficient evidence to prove it.

That just prove that God is omniscient. To prove that God is the creator God needs to show that He is omnipotent too.

You are wrong. God is infinitely just. The punishment for the damned is perfectly just.

I am right. People need justification before they believe.

 

[Della]

There are about 4300 religion worldwide. Each founder of religion says that I AM, I am prophet, I am messenger, I am etc. Now tell me what is the truth.

I’m afraid you misunderstand the meaning of I AM. It simply means I EXIST–or I AM EXISTANCE. God simply is. He was not created or came into being or anything like that. He has always been who he is without beginning or end.

I explain this to help you understand God’s nature.

Jesus Christ is the Second Person of the Trinity (one with the Father and the Holy Spirit), who was incarnated as fully human and fully God. So, as a man, he had a beginning in the womb of the Virgin Mary.

Of course many have claimed to be prophets/messengers, etc. However, the test of a prophet/messenger is very simple–does what he says happen? If not, then he’s merely a human being, who may have some good insights into human nature, such as Confucius or the Buddha, (neither of whom claimed any sort of divinity) and nothing more.

Jesus alone made the claim that he is the Way, **the **Truth, and the Light. He could make that claim because he is fully God and fully man. No other religious leader in history can make that claim because none of them rose from the dead and were witnessed by hundreds of people as risen from the dead.

 

[dshix]

That just prove that God is omniscient. To prove that God is the creator God needs to show that He is omnipotent too.

Then he just infuses knowledge of his omnipotence.

This is not complicated. God created us and our human nature. He can do whatever he wants to us.

I am right. People need justification before they believe.

I guess you’ll find out at the Last Judgement, then, won’t you?

 

[STT]

I’m afraid you misunderstand the meaning of I AM. It simply means I EXIST–or I AM EXISTANCE. God simply is. He was not created or came into being or anything like that. He has always been who he is without beginning or end.

I explain this to help you understand God’s nature.

Jesus Christ is the Second Person of the Trinity (one with the Father and the Holy Spirit), who was incarnated as fully human and fully God. So, as a man, he had a beginning in the womb of the Virgin Mary.

Of course many have claimed to be prophets/messengers, etc. However, the test of a prophet/messenger is very simple–does what he says happen? If not, then he’s merely a human being, who may have some good insights into human nature, such as Confucius or the Buddha, (neither of whom claimed any sort of divinity) and nothing more.

Jesus alone made the claim that he is the Way, **the **Truth, and the Light. He could make that claim because he is fully God and fully man. No other religious leader in history can make that claim because none of them rose from the dead and were witnesses by hundreds of people as risen from the dead.

The act of creation by far is different from the act of resurrection. One needs to create in order to prove that He is the creator.

 

[STT]

Then he just infuses knowledge of his omnipotence.

This is not complicated. God created us and our human nature. He can do whatever he wants to us.

Omnipotence is the ability to perform every logically possible act. You need to do something in order to prove you are able to do it.

I guess you’ll find out at the Last Judgement, then, won’t you?

Who could possibly know for sure?

 

[dshix]

Omnipotence is the ability to perform every logically possible act. You need to do something in order to prove you are able to do it.

No, you don’t.

Definition of “prove”:

demonstrate the truth or existence of (something)

That is an intellectual process. God can infuse knowledge into the intellect. Case closed.

 

[STT]

No, you don’t.

Definition of “prove”:

demonstrate the truth or existence of (something)

That is an intellectual process. God can infuse knowledge into the intellect. Case closed.

If you say so!

 

[Della]

The act of creation by far is different from the act of resurrection. One needs to create in order to prove that He is the creator.

Any what does God have to create to convince you he is the Creator? Seems like he pretty much did that gig already.

 

[undead_rat]

Those (bold parts) are not a good way to convince an intellectual being.

That’s a good point. But we must ask the question, “Does the collective human consciousness really have an intellectual quality?”
I would argue, as we so irrationally prepare to blow the human race off the face of the earth, that it does not.

 

[ffg]

1. So you think that God can prove that He is the creator without explaining how.
2. The act of creation is done. There will be no more creation to be used to justify the claim.
3. You can claim that you are a carpenter and as a matter of proof make a chair without this people have right to doubt about your claim.

In order:

1. Yes, I am a creation.

Think of this, I’m sure you’ve heard “I don’t know much, but I know I’m not God” from another human person.

If I knew ‘how’ God worked, I might not have such clarity on the above point.

1. This statement of yours displays a knowledge of the answer to the question you are asking.

So I ask you, since you and I are both of equivalent nature, assumingly, how do you know this?

I don’t know if I’m going to have another kid, but I know neither I nor my wife contribute a soul in that process. Thus, if a soul is true, that’s a creative act by God.

I have no idea if God is done creating, curious how you are so certain. I’d be curious to see the evidence.

1. I could make a chair and still have doubters. Though I’m not sure why they would look at their doubt as a ‘right’ or anything more than a conclusion per observation.

Take care,

 

[JuanFlorencio]

Lets define God as the creator. How could God possibly prove that He is the creator considering the fact that the creation is done?

By means of some divine definitions, some divine axioms and some divine inference rules? I don’t know…

 

[Exsanguin8]

The notion of God “proving” anything is probably anthropomorphizing Him.

 

[Roseeurekacross]

There are about 4300 religion worldwide. Each founder of religion says that I AM, I am prophet, I am messenger, I am etc. Now tell me what is the truth.

So glad you finally asked!

JESUS CHRIST IS THE WAY,

THE TRUTH

AND

THE LIGHT.

GOD did not found a religion. There’s your difference.

God said

I AM

because God created and is the creator. We are , as is every living being, HIS creatures.

Man founds religious ideology, and out of it, different manmade religions

Think supernatural vs manmade.

Jesus Christ established A CHURCH, HIS CHURCH, THE ONE, HOLY and APOSTOLIC.

Angels and Prophets are messengers for God.
JESUS CHRIST came to bring us HIS OWN message, and to be a sacrificial lamb for the Glory of God.

Its pretty simple.

 

[Ion]

Adam did not have any trouble believing God is the Creator. I think this should be the starting point.

 

[STT]

In order:

1. Yes, I am a creation.

Think of this, I’m sure you’ve heard “I don’t know much, but I know I’m not God” from another human person.

If I knew ‘how’ God worked, I might not have such clarity on the above point.

I didn’t get you here.

1. This statement of yours displays a knowledge of the answer to the question you are asking.

So I ask you, since you and I are both of equivalent nature, assumingly, how do you know this?

I don’t know if I’m going to have another kid, but I know neither I nor my wife contribute a soul in that process. Thus, if a soul is true, that’s a creative act by God.

I have no idea if God is done creating, curious how you are so certain. I’d be curious to see the evidence.

God cannot prove that He could create a soul which the ability to be alive or conscious because we don’t have access to consciousness from third person perspective.

1. I could make a chair and still have doubters. Though I’m not sure why they would look at their doubt as a ‘right’ or anything more than a conclusion per observation.

Take care,

That is not true. There could be no doubters if you make a chair in front of their eyes because they trust on knowledge of how things work when it comes to making a chair.

 

[STT]

The notion of God “proving” anything is probably anthropomorphizing Him.

So what is the reason for those miracles performed by Jesus and another prophets?

 

[STT]

So glad you finally asked!

JESUS CHRIST IS THE WAY,

THE TRUTH

AND

THE LIGHT.

GOD did not found a religion. There’s your difference.

God said

I AM

because God created and is the creator. We are , as is every living being, HIS creatures.

Man founds religious ideology, and out of it, different manmade religions

Think supernatural vs manmade.

Jesus Christ established A CHURCH, HIS CHURCH, THE ONE, HOLY and APOSTOLIC.

Angels and Prophets are messengers for God.
JESUS CHRIST came to bring us HIS OWN message, and to be a sacrificial lamb for the Glory of God.

Its pretty simple.

I am afraid that we need argument in order to engage to a discussion.

 

[STT]

Adam did not have any trouble believing God is the Creator. I think this should be the starting point.

He probably was not skeptical enough.

 

[Exsanguin8]

So what is the reason for those miracles performed by Jesus and another prophets?

There is a difference between performing miracles in order to bear witness at the time of the Incarnation and “proofs” that would satisfy the specificity demanded by Greek logic.