How great is the priest homosexual/pedophile coverup today

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There’s another explosive situation getting ready to blow up in the Church’s face.
 
Thanks, Binney!

Well, it seems to me that, especially given the sex abuse scandal, the diocese should have taken the counselors’ recommendation that this priest not have contact with children very seriously. If this kind of denial is still rampant, then, yes, there certainly is still a coverup problem in the church today.
 
Get that guy out of the Catholic Priesthood as quick as humanly possible.

But why would they transfer him to a monastery? If I were a Trappist or Benedictine monk and they stuck him in a room with me I would be none too happy about it!:mad:

Why was this kid toucher allowed to be ordained in the first place?

The Catholic Church can save itself a lot of grief and protect a lot of kids by not allowing these homosexuals into the Priesthood in the first place.
 
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for its service to the faithful in publishing Paul Likoudis’s detailed and enlightening reports on the Mass celebrated for unrepentant homosexuals by Rochester’s Bishop Matthew Clark in the Cathedral of the Sacred Heart10 and on the New Ways Ministry 4th National Symposium in Pittsburgh.11 The sad history chronicled by Mr. Likoudis amply evidences the homosexual revolution that threatens our Church and our Nation. III. The Sodomites’ Strategy: Avoid Causing a Reaction
New Ways for Old Sins

The New Ways Ministry conference set the homosexual lobby’s plan of action, emphasizing the strategy of gradualism that marks the homosexual revolution. The objective of the sodomites’ strategy is to avoid meaningful reaction by ecclesiastical authorities against the homosexual agenda.

Bishop Clark, in his tweed-suit and striped-shirt “clericals,” encouraged conference participants: “If individuals change quite slowly, how slow is institutional change?” Driving home his brother bishop’s message to those he dubbed “a loving group,” Detroit Auxiliary Bishop Thomas Gumbleton added, "As Matthew said, even if we are frustrated sometimes with the slowness of change, we still must put up with that frustration as we continue to struggle to make it happen."12*

tfp.org/what_we_think/sodomy.html
 
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I could not find a date on your article; New Ways Ministry, to the best of my knowledge, has been forbidden to hold any meetings or anything else in Catholic facilities; there was a major media “happening” regarding both Fr Nugent and Sr. Jeanine Grammick as I recall so I don’t think their group is operational anymore.

As best as I can tell, Nugent acquiesced to the demand that he cease and desist - Grammick joined another order of nuns and still is “on the road” bringing her ministry but not with church approval. Why something isn’t done about the order she joined allowing this is another story…
 
Kevin Walker:
But why would they transfer him to a monastery? If I were a Trappist or Benedictine monk and they stuck him in a room with me I would be none too happy about it!:mad:
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I share your immediate response but then there are some questions it raises – what do we do with them?
  1. You can’t put them all together in one location for obvious reasons.
  2. Some priests have pointed out that they wish to keep them in orders because in some monastery they can be “tracked” - defrocked they simply leave and vanish into the general population to do what God only knows.
  3. As Christians it is not the purpose of the church to throw out of it those who have fallen into sin, who wish to stay and try to do better.
  4. Due to the repeat performance rate of some of these people, they need constant monitoring and lack of access to the population in general.
  5. Pedophiles are criminals and so they go to jail, but there are those who are not pedophiles but are sexually active due to their problems. For instance even with all the scandals, all the headlines, all the pay outs I have read of at least three recent cases where they have caught individuals “trolling” the net for “partners” and the scandal of St. Sebastian’s Angels indicated that there are a number of them who simply do not stay celibate but try to beat the system and have a double life. I really don’t know what the solution is.
I have often pondered these things and I can’t say I’ve come up with a good solution yet.
 
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HagiaSophia:
I could not find a date on your article; New Ways Ministry, to the best of my knowledge, has been forbidden to hold any meetings or anything else in Catholic facilities; there was a major media “happening” regarding both Fr Nugent and Sr. Jeanine Grammick as I recall so I don’t think their group is operational anymore.

As best as I can tell, Nugent acquiesced to the demand that he cease and desist - Grammick joined another order of nuns and still is “on the road” bringing her ministry but not with church approval. Why something isn’t done about the order she joined allowing this is another story…
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I shared the link because Bishop Clark is a well known liberal and supporter of “gay” ministries. He is the bishop of the priest in the op.
 
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HagiaSophia:
I share your immediate response but then there are some questions it raises – what do we do with them?
  1. You can’t put them all together in one location for obvious reasons.
  2. Some priests have pointed out that they wish to keep them in orders because in some monastery they can be “tracked” - defrocked they simply leave and vanish into the general population to do what God only knows.
  3. As Christians it is not the purpose of the church to throw out of it those who have fallen into sin, who wish to stay and try to do better.
  4. Due to the repeat performance rate of some of these people, they need constant monitoring and lack of access to the population in general.
  5. Pedophiles are criminals and so they go to jail, but there are those who are not pedophiles but are sexually active due to their problems. For instance even with all the scandals, all the headlines, all the pay outs I have read of at least three recent cases where they have caught individuals “trolling” the net for “partners” and the scandal of St. Sebastian’s Angels indicated that there are a number of them who simply do not stay celibate but try to beat the system and have a double life. I really don’t know what the solution is.
I have often pondered these things and I can’t say I’ve come up with a good solution yet.
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Hi,

It’s only on this Catholic Forum that my general concern regarding homosexuals is just get them out of the Priesthood as quickly as possible, since they were never supposed to be ordained in the first place they have no right to continue serving as Priests under false pretenses.

On the other hand, there are many avenues of employment in the private sector for homosexuals, and they do very well indeed in the service industry, entertainment industry, finance, academia, *etc. *It is really up to law enforcement to protect the citizenry against homosexuals, and protection begins first by not allowing homosexuals in positions of strategic authority involving the public trust since homosexuality is irrationality, and not just a sexual preference.
 
As long as there are bishops who are homosexuals themselves or who have tolerance for homosexual conduct among their clergy, there will be problems and scandals. There’s a long-simmering situation involving a whistle-blower priest in the Arlington, VA, diocese under Bishop Loverde’s incompetent administration that is on the verge of erupting into a considerable scandal. This is unfortunate since the prior bishop, John Keating was so orthodox and so effective. He sadly died in his early 60s. While he was bishop, the diocese grew by leaps and bounds and priestly vocations were numerous. Since his death, things have truly deteriorated. There’s nothing more important to the health of a diocese than the spiritual and doctrinal health of its bishop.
 
Homosexuality is a very unstable condition of the mind. Therefore, men with this condition should not be priests.

Jennie
 
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larryo:
As long as there are bishops who are homosexuals themselves or who have tolerance for homosexual conduct among their clergy, there will be problems and scandals. There’s a long-simmering situation involving a whistle-blower priest in the Arlington, VA, diocese under Bishop Loverde’s incompetent administration that is on the verge of erupting into a considerable scandal. This is unfortunate since the prior bishop, John Keating was so orthodox and so effective. He sadly died in his early 60s. While he was bishop, the diocese grew by leaps and bounds and priestly vocations were numerous. Since his death, things have truly deteriorated. There’s nothing more important to the health of a diocese than the spiritual and doctrinal health of its bishop.
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This worries me, what is to become of the church as more of this happens, why must our church leaders be so blind and stupid to accept the fashions of this world?..
 
Kevin Walker:
Get that guy out of the Catholic Priesthood as quick as humanly possible.

But why would they transfer him to a monastery? If I were a Trappist or Benedictine monk and they stuck him in a room with me I would be none too happy about it!:mad:

Why was this kid toucher allowed to be ordained in the first place?

The Catholic Church can save itself a lot of grief and protect a lot of kids by not allowing these homosexuals into the Priesthood in the first place.
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Kevin,

My thoughts exactly! We need ZERO tolerance but what also need to screen these people so that we don’t have a problem later on down the road. It’s much easier to get rid of someone before you give them a position. I would rather see the Church correct the problem on the front end, entry into seminary, than try and deal with a problem after a person becomes a *representative *of the Church. I believe this is true in all large organizations. It is far easier to deal with an issue involving grounds for denying admittance, than it is to deal with issues involving victims and suspects after a crime has been committed, by “one of you own”. I’m all for Polygraphs, Drug Screening, Background Checks, whatever it takes
 
I read the entire abuse policy for our diocese. This document covers all forms of abuse by all sorts of people, not just priests, and spells out what is to happen when. The abuse is investigated by a lay panel appointed by the bishop. This set up would seem to make a coverup very difficult. If anyone cares to read umpteen pages of legalese, here’s a link:

catholic-doc.org/
 
I think as long as these poor abused children get the courage to tell their stories we will keep hearing them and the unfortunate cover-ups that went along with them. It’s so painful and shameful to have to see our Church leaders in this light, but so be it…there was no excuse for the inaction, shuffling around of these perverts, etc. I love my Church, but I am just heartsick for these men and women who had their lives and faith shattered.

As an example, just recently a priest was on local tv regarding St. Patrick’s Day. A few weeks later we have to see that tape rerun over a story on how the local paper just did a story on his abuse of two sisters. His excuses were lame and indefensible. These girls finally got the courage to come forward. If they were brave enough to expose this evil, we as the Church have to be brave enough to see justice done. No more cover-ups. Let light shine on everything. I still believe in the Church, but I hope those who could have done something are exposed and brought to justice.
 
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