How important is it to treat people with respect?

[dosdog]

Penance:
1 : an act of self-abasement, mortification, or devotion performed to show sorrow or repentance for sin
2 : a sacramental rite that is practiced in Roman, Eastern, and some Anglican churches and that consists of private confession, absolution, and a penance directed by the confessor
3 : something (as a hardship or penalty) resembling an act of penance (as in compensating for an offense)

Penance is to be done by the person who has offended. Not TO the person who has offended.

He denounced them, He didn’t hate them. They turned from Him and further attempts BY CHRIST is futile. We are to walk away if they are persistant in denying Christ. That does not mean we are to disrespect them.

Refer to the definition above. We are to do penance for OURSELVES when we do wrong. This has nothing to do with us disrespecting others.

They turned from Christ, thus they seal their own fate with God. Still doesn’t say anything about humans and respecting eachother.

Matthew 18 16 And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. 17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

 

[Singinbeauty]

Are you more worried about their touchy feelings or thier soul?

Neither. I worry about doing what Christ told me. To love my neighbor, bring God’s love to the world, and to show that they are worthy of that love.

Their ‘touchy feelings’ as you call them might be stung by hearing the Word of God but that doesn’t mean that I deliver it without love. That defeats the whole purpose.

Their position of their souls are an issue between God and them. I show them the light of which God has given to me and THEY make the decision.

 

[Singinbeauty]

Matthew 18 16 And if he will not hear thee, take with thee one or two more: that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may stand. 17 And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican.

And?

This has nothing to do with respect. If they don’t want to hear it you can’t force them to. BUT you walk away, you don’t disrespect them.

 

[dosdog]

And?

This has nothing to do with respect. If they don’t want to hear it you can’t force them to. BUT you walk away, you don’t disrespect them.

The Pontifical Council stresses the importance of providing proper formation for the consciences of penitents, making sure that they understand the “hard truth” of the Church’s teaching that the use of contraceptives is a grave sin. Particularly in the Western world, the Council observes, the general acceptance of contraception is so widespread that it is difficult to convince married couples of the “objective gravity” of the sin. That gravity cannot be ignored, the document says, but at the same time confessors should recognize that-because of the widespread ignorance on this question-penitents may not bear the guilt of having freely and knowingly chosen this evil.

The document draws a distinction between two different types of penitents who have used contraceptives: those who show a sincere desire to amend their behavior and those who show neither repentance nor any inclination to change. In the latter case, the document suggests, it is proper for the priest to refuse absolution.
catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9910drag.asp

 

[Singinbeauty]

The Pontifical Council stresses the importance of providing proper formation for the consciences of penitents, making sure that they understand the “hard truth” of the Church’s teaching that the use of contraceptives is a grave sin. Particularly in the Western world, the Council observes, the general acceptance of contraception is so widespread that it is difficult to convince married couples of the “objective gravity” of the sin. That gravity cannot be ignored, the document says, but at the same time confessors should recognize that-because of the widespread ignorance on this question-penitents may not bear the guilt of having freely and knowingly chosen this evil.

The document draws a distinction between two different types of penitents who have used contraceptives: those who show a sincere desire to amend their behavior and those who show neither repentance nor any inclination to change. In the latter case, the document suggests, it is proper for the priest to refuse absolution.
catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9910drag.asp

There is a difference between showing and preaching the ‘hard truth’ and disrespecting someone. You do it in love and they will hear you. You do it with disdain and they turn away.

You are no better than those you profess to dislike. Remember the golden rule that Jesus uttered all those years ago… Love them as you would like to be loved.

 

[dosdog]

And?

This has nothing to do with respect. If they don’t want to hear it you can’t force them to. BUT you walk away, you don’t disrespect them.

Hitler loved people like you - just walk away -throw another body in the oven

 

[Singinbeauty]

Hitler loved people like you - just walk away -throw another body in the oven

A little uncalled for don’t ya think??? In fact, that is about the ONLY response this post deserves.

 

[dosdog]

A little uncalled for don’t ya think??? In fact, that is about the ONLY response this post deserves.

Persecution of Catholics still alive
In India, Catholic churches are regularly burned by Hindu Fundamentalists, and both Hindus and local animist groups have harassed and killed Catholic converts. In Pakistan, which disagrees with India about everything else, an Islamic Fundamentalist government does the same. Even great charity is no protection. Mother Teresa’s Sisters of Charity have been threatened in India and three of them were murdered in Yemen in the 1990s. Following is the first in a series of articles by Robert Royal, author of the soon-to-be released book Catholic Martyrs of the 20th Century.
catholicherald.com/royal/royal1.htm

Our Sunday Visitor: Persecution of Catholics still alive, oppression’s face fanatic, traditional
catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19509

 

[Singinbeauty]

Persecution of Catholics still alive
In India, Catholic churches are regularly burned by Hindu Fundamentalists, and both Hindus and local animist groups have harassed and killed Catholic converts. In Pakistan, which disagrees with India about everything else, an Islamic Fundamentalist government does the same. Even great charity is no protection. Mother Teresa’s Sisters of Charity have been threatened in India and three of them were murdered in Yemen in the 1990s. Following is the first in a series of articles by Robert Royal, author of the soon-to-be released book Catholic Martyrs of the 20th Century.
catholicherald.com/royal/royal1.htm

Our Sunday Visitor: Persecution of Catholics still alive, oppression’s face fanatic, traditional
catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=19509

It still does not justify US, God’s reps, hating back. Peter cut off the ear of a soldier who was arresting Christ and Jesus stopped Him and healed the ear.

 

[dosdog]

It still does not justify US, God’s reps, hating back. Peter cut off the ear of a soldier who was arresting Christ and Jesus stopped Him and healed the ear.

Luke 22 36 But they said: Nothing. Then said he unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip; and he that hath not, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword.

Ezechiel 33 6 And if the watchman see the sword coming, and sound not the trumpet: and the people look not to themselves, and the sword come, and cut off a soul from among them: he indeed is taken away in his iniquity, but I will require his blood at the hand of the watchman.

 

[Singinbeauty]

Luke 22 36 But they said: Nothing. Then said he unto them: But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip; and he that hath not, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword.

Ezechiel 33 6 And if the watchman see the sword coming, and sound not the trumpet: and the people look not to themselves, and the sword come, and cut off a soul from among them: he indeed is taken away in his iniquity, but I will require his blood at the hand of the watchman.

Again, what does this have to do with respecting someone? I never said that we are not to defend ourselves, just that we are to respect others and love them as Christ commanded.

 

[dosdog]

Again, what does this have to do with respecting someone?

Ezechiel 33 6 And if the watchman see the sword coming, and sound not the trumpet: and the people look not to themselves, and the sword come, and cut off a soul from among them: he indeed is taken away in his iniquity, but I will require his blood at the hand of the watchman.

 

[Valke2]

I’m looking at how some of these posts are affecting me and it strengthen’s my conviction that respect, humility, and empathy, and understanding of the role we play in each others lives, is critical to repairng this world and bringing ourselves closer to God.

 

[KarenNC]

I agree that we should strive to treat each other with civility and courtesy, but I also agree that respect is earned. For instance, after closing in on a year on these fora, there are a handful of people that I frankly do not respect because of their repeated behavior and a larger number that I have come to respect because of their behavior. For the majority, I have not had enough experience to make a judgement. I still strive to deal with all of them with civility and courtesy.

Civility and courtesy do not mean that I am likely not to challenge what I see as errors of fact or misinterpretations. I expect the same from others.

Now do I at times fail in that civility and courtesy, particularly in the face of uncivil behavior directed towards me in the heat of disagreement? Unfortunately, yes.

 

[JMJ_coder]

Hello,

Seeing the debate that has been raging in the past few pages of posts, I think a great reply is found in the Gospel for this week.

Luke 18: 9-14

He then addressed this parable to those who were convinced of their own righteousness and despised everyone else. “Two people went up to the temple area to pray; one was a Pharisee and the other was a tax collector. The Pharisee took up his position and spoke this prayer to himself, ‘O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity - greedy, dishonest, adulterous - or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week, and I pay tithes on my whole income.’ But the tax collector stood off at a distance and would not even raise his eyes to heaven but beat his breast and prayed, ‘O God, be merciful to me a sinner.’ I tell you, the latter went home justified, not the former; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and the one who humbles himself will be exalted.”

 

[JMJ_coder]

Hello,

Wishing

Do you wish the world were better?
Let me tell you what to do.
Set a watch upon your actions,
Keep them always straight and true.
Rid your mind of selfish motives,
Let your thoughts be clean and high.
You can make a little Eden
Of the sphere you occupy.

Do you wish the world were happy?
Then remember day by day
Just to scatter seeds of kindness
As you pass along the way.
For the pleasures of the many
May be ofttimes traced to one,
As the hand that plants the acorn
Shelters armies from the sun.

– Father Lasance

 

[Valke2]

Amen.

 

[Mr.Ex_Nihilo]

I think the Golden Rule applies here.

However, the Golden Rule without a reference point can quickly turn on itself.

For example, if the person would like to be killed, they can’t turn around and kill you and then claim that the Golden Rule allowed it because they themselves would like to be killed.

“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: " ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment.

And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’

All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments."

Some people seem to forget that, in a Christian context, the Golden Rule is deeply embedded into the framework of the law.

So the Golden Rule doesn’t just say to “Treat others as you would like to be treated.”

More specifically, it teaches you, with reference to the 10 Commandments, how you should like to be treated in the first place (not being murdered, not being lied to, etc.)-- and then it clarifies that this is indeed how you should treat others as well (not murdering them, not lying to them, etc.).

One could just as easilly say that when you do something wrong to someone else, you are not just doing wrong to them. You are also doing wrong toward God himself.

But, again, without the 10 Commandments as a reference point, even this could be turned on itself.