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bisco
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it’s almost as if the true God has been calling them.
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Servant19
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bisco
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one true God, and many gods.
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bisco
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through the sacraments, and His Word.
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PRmerger
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clem456
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Salvation is a gift of God. His gratuitous love is our salvation. His love is the gift of his very self, through our Lord Jesus Christ. God invites us to accept his gift by our cooperation, which requires work on our part, the committing and unifying of our wills to his. If we accept his gift we become one with him and his Church, we are in communion.
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bisco
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evil is against God’s will, as revealed in the Holy Bible and the teaching of the Magisterium. why would you follow someone who came along after God revealed himself to the world in the person of Christ? we have everything we need through His sacrifice on the cross, His church, and the Sacraments He instituted, to live a holy life now, and share in eternal life with Him afterward.
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Kliska
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I think a better question may be “Who” saves a person? 
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures
Romans 3: 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God** which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:** for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
ETA; Non-denominational protestant here (and I mean truly non-denominational, not the non-denominational denomination). lol
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures
Romans 3: 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God** which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:** for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
ETA; Non-denominational protestant here (and I mean truly non-denominational, not the non-denominational denomination). lol
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PRmerger
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Remember that St. Paul says that he (yes, he, Paul) saves, too.I think a better question may be “Who” saves a person?
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures
Romans 3: 20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. 21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God** which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe:** for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
ETA; Non-denominational protestant here (and I mean truly non-denominational, not the non-denominational denomination). lol
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Servant19
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Firstly I do follow Christ.
Secondly, we do not have everything we need through His sacrifice. There are plenty of Christians who have put shame to Jesus’ name.
If we had everything we need, that would not happen.
For a start, comparing the posts in this thread that indicate that some are from “gods” and others are from “the one true God” is an indication of the reality that some people are worshipping the name of Christ, rather than the spirit of Christ.
Only one way offers salvation.
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Janderich
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Joseph Smith said:
Here in this life we must gain power to conquer the adversary. We do this by turning to the spirit that is within each one of us. It will lead us right and show us the way to peace and contentment in this life. Of course, this is all thanks to Christ who allows us in our fallen state to have a connection to the Father through the spirit.
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bisco
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‘no one comes to the Father but through Me’.
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bisco
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huh?
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PRmerger
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Yep.
If, by any means, I may provoke to emulation them who are my flesh, and may save some of them.—Romans 11:14
And Scripture even says that we can save ourselves!
Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.–1 Timothy 4:16
Any time we save (or Paul saves, or Mary saves, or the saints save), it is because we are united to the atoning death of Christ, which purchased our salvation for us, once for all.
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ltwin
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I understand what you are saying, but don’t you think it is irresponsible and dangerous to go around indiscriminately saying “Paul saves” without any kind of greater context or explanation? If an ignorant person (by which I mean someone who is not as versed in the Bible and Christian theology as you or I) hears you say that, it is very easy for them to get the wrong idea.
Paul also said “For what we proclaim is not ourselves, but Jesus Christ as Lord, with ourselves as your servants for Jesus’ sake” (2 Corinthians 4:5). And again, “For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified . . . and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God” (1 Corinthians 2:2-5).
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PRmerger
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It is no more irresponsible and dangerous than it is for you to say God is 3 Persons in 1 God, indiscriminately, without any greater context or explanation.
You, of course, understand that when you proclaim this, while it is 100% true, that it requires further discourse.
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God_I_Love
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How is a person saved? Simple. Yeshua. “God saves”. We are saved not by the will of man but purely by the Divine Will which effected Salvation through Himself in Christ. Two aspects are important to consider, especially in regards to the cross. The cross took away the DEBT that was being held against us because of our trangressions against the Law. This removed our accusers (the rulers of the air and the rulers of this world) from power over us and replaced control under Christ. Now as of yet not all things are seen to be subject to Christ. But ALL things have been placed under His feet by the Father. The Church is the temporal aspect of reconciliation that we are a part of THROUGH the Holy Spirit. It serves many purposes but in a macro level view on Salvation and Christ as Ruler, the Church is another proof of Christ’s continuing authority and stands as a Light and proof to the any whom would resist His Divine Ordinance. Which is Salvation for the World and a return of Authority to the ONLY one deserving of it; Namely The King of Kings Christ Jesus. I rest easy in His Spirit knowing and seeing by the Spirit, and not by the flesh, the progression of the Church.
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ltwin
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So you think there isn’t an issue with you raising up Paul (and everyone else apparently) to the status of savior? Because, that is what you are doing, and whether you want to admit it or not, that is problematic coming from someone who professes to believe in Jesus Christ, the Way, the Truth, the Resurrection and the Life.
Yes, we participate in Christ’s Great Commission, but I don’t think we need to make it more complicated than it is. Christ has died, Christ has risen, Christ will come again. It is all about Christ. Not Paul or Apollos or the Sunday school teacher. It’s all about Christ. We are servants to the world for the sake of Christ, but it is Christ’s death and redemptive work that makes salvation possible. He and he alone is The Savior of mankind.
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