How is it Judaism survived the destruction of the Temple?

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meltzerboy2 said:
I consider myself a Reform Jew with Conservative leanings.
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Thank you, what makes Reform Jew distinct from other Jews? Or Conservative ones from non?

I honestly know very little and am very curious.
 
There are certain differences in doctrinal beliefs, differences in interpretation of the Law. And the spiritual meaning and purpose of Judaism may differ. Certain things, however, are common–or nearly so–to all Jews. Still, there are important differences. Somewhat similar, perhaps, to the distinctions between Catholics and Protestants, who are nonetheless both Christians.
 
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There are certain differences in doctrinal beliefs, differences in interpretation of the Law. And the spiritual meaning and purpose of Judaism may differ. Certain things, however, are common–or nearly so–to all Jews. Still, there are important differences. Somewhat similar, perhaps, to the distinctions between Catholics and Protestants, who are nonetheless both Christians.
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That makes sense, so what makes Reform Jews Reformist? What was reformed?
 
Plenty. It is worthy of a thread of its own, or really a treatise. But the reform all revolves around how the Law is interpreted and how literally or not one practices the details of the Law.
 
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Plenty. It is worthy of a thread of its own, or really a treatise. But the reform all revolves around how the Law is interpreted and how literally or not one practices the details of the Law.
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Okay, so I suppose it is more literal than others?
 
Actually, the opposite. Orthodox Jews have the most literal interpretation of the Law, and the strictest. Reform Jews much less so, and they don’t accept the Oral Law as divinely inspired. Conservative Jews are somewhat in-between, and arose due to a feeling that the Reform movement was too great a departure from Orthodox Judaism.
 
Not a rejection of the Talmud as containing rabbinical wisdom worthy of study and practice, but not divinely inspired Scripture equivalent to the Torah, as the Orthodox believe.
 
Yeah that’s what I meant. Sort of how protestants view the book of Sirach right?
 
Post Second Temple Judaism is Rabbinic Judaism. It developed after the destruction of the Second Temple as a way for Judaism to survive by reinventing itself. Ancient Judaism bore some similarities, but was not the same.
 
Rabbinic Judaism (post Second Temple) teaches that the Temple was destroyed due to sinat chinam (baseless hatred…of Jews for other Jews)…this is why they stress ahavat Yisrael (love of Jews).

Christ however correctly taught that the Temple would be destroyed because it would no longer be needed…because the final sacrifice, being Jesus Christ, Son of God, would make its continued use unnecessary.

Interestingly, the Talmud reports that 40 years before the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD/CE (which would be right around the time Christ was sacrificed)… "Forty years before the Temple was destroyed (30 A.D.) the chosen lot was not picked with the right hand, nor did the crimson stripe turn white, nor did the westernmost light burn; and the doors of the Temple’s Holy Place swung open by themselves, until Rabbi Yochanon ben Zakkai spoke saying: ‘O most Holy Place, why have you become disturbed? I know full well that your destiny will be destruction, for the prophet Zechariah ben Iddo has already spoken regarding you saying: ‘Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour the cedars’ (Zech. 11:1).’ Talmud Bavli, Yoma 39b
 
I prefer the interpretation that G-d has ALWAYS tested the Jewish people and still does to this day to see if they remain true to Torah teaching despite all sorts of hardships and tragedies. It is rather easy to remain faithful when things are going fine, but so much more challenging in the face of severe obstacles, and Jews have had their share and then some. Yet Jews and Judaism persevere despite all.
 
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Athanasius_Mary said:
Judaism did not survive the destruction of the Temple. Judaism without sacrifices means Judaism without atonement. What follows is a question of authority:
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Respectfully opinion only.
Why was the Temple destroyed x2?
Did Jesus come to his own within His own Temple Priest, Elders and Highly Learned men within, to correct and return to the True Teaching of the Torah Laws maybe?

What does our Heavenly Father tell us within His Spoken Word> why?
Genesis 4:10-11
Genesis 4:15
Noah Covenant 9:4-7
Leviticus 17:10-14
Proverbs 6:16-19
Greatest Prophet Isaiah 1:11
Prophet Jeremiah 7:3-15
Prophet Jeremiah 7: 21-24
Prophet Jeremiah 7:1-3
John Baptist>Repent Repent
1 Corinthians 3:16-17-21>>Do you not know??
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Father’s Spoken Word continues to flow, with the Teaching of Jesus Our Lord Savior repeats OT> Obey the Commandments, Thou shall not>>Sermon on the Mount > flows continually all throughout also>>>repeated over over Repent Repent, Return to Me and I Will return to you?

Jesus speaks out about Man’s Traditions being placed over what God asked? He Commanded not?

Also written is it not >>All Life<< is Sacred in the Blood, shed not innocent blood? Noah gathered the animals unto the Ark, did he not? Lets not forget maybe the Prophecy? >Prophet Jeremiah 31:31-34 Peace:)
 
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Luke6_37 said:
The branches are bearing good fruit.
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Repectfully opinion only;
What does branch mean in Hebrew? Prophets often used?
Branch> in Hebrew word was> Nazer>Nazeroth-identical to Nazareth-Nazarene> fullment >bearing good fruit? NT>
Isaiah 11:1
Jeremiah 23:5, 33:15
Zechariah 6:12, 3:8
Matthew 2:23 " There he made his home in a town called Nazareth, so that what had been spoken through the prophets might be fulfilled, “He will be called a Nazorean”

Jesus grow up with the OT?

Was St Paul not asked by James the Just known as the Brother of the Lord, to make the Nazrite Vow, why? Peace 🙂
 
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Very few truly keep Torah today. A recent study done by my local Jewish community found that less than 25% of Jews even keep the laws of kashrut. The Orthodox are the only ones truly keeping it, and they are about 10% of the Jewish population.

As a Christian, I believe the purpose of the Jewish people was to bring monotheism to the world and ultimately the Mashiach. However, as a Christian I also believe they missed their final challenge, or test, and rejected their own Mashiach, and so they have become irrelevant since then.
 
OK, let’s go along, for a moment, with what you say: that the purpose of the Jewish people was to bring monotheism to the world and ultimately the Moshiach. What do you understand, according to Judaism, was the purpose of the Moshiach? (Not according to Christianity, but according to Judaism.) Was Torah study and practice supposed to be abandoned or reduced at the arrival of the Moshiach? You report that very few Jews today keep the Torah. So what does that say, according to Judaism, about the legitimacy of the claim to being the Moshiach on the part of Jesus? Now, if the purpose of the Jewish people is NOT ultimately the Moshiach, no problem in this regard; however, you claim that it is. I’ll take it from there after your reply.
 
Christians still study the Old Testament. So Torah study has not been abandoned
 
First, Torah consists of the First Five Books of Moses, not the whole Old Testament (Jews prefer the name “Hebrew Bible.”) Second, taken from the Law: “studying is not the ultimate, but the doing”: a good reminder for Christians and Jews alike. How many of the Torah commandments do we practice in our daily lives? How many do we even know? I’m not talking about the fine rituals or the broad Ten Commandments but all the other moral principles. No, as AnnetteJoan states, we neglect many commandments either willfully or inadvertently.
 
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