How is the LDS a cult? Part 2

[joemf]

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Indeed! That’s why I’ve decided to move on to more meaningful endeavors. Like witnessing to folks who may perhaps be more interested in scripture,it’s proper definitions in context, and not super glued to a particular denomination,church, or tradition. thanks. I can already see even my meager minor in Greek could be of no help here. People want to see what they want to see. There was truth prior to tradition, but frankly, you’d never know it on this board.

 

[twopekinguys]

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[TexanKnight]

Indeed! That’s why I’ve decided to move on to more meaningful endeavors. Like witnessing to folks who may perhaps be more interested in scripture,it’s proper definitions in context, and not super glued to a particular denomination,church, or tradition. thanks. I can already see even my meager minor in Greek could be of no help here. People want to see what they want to see. There was truth prior to tradition, but frankly, you’d never know it on this board.

ah…so if people disagree with you, they simply have no desire to learn? That is a pretty bold and self-serving statement.

Actually, if you knew the Scriptures, you would know that Tradition is important. Not everything was written down. What did people rely on before it was written down?

I have done many years of research and wandering before finding home. Do not presume that you have more knowledge, desire, or Scriptural-Love just because I disagree with you.

Be Blessed

 

[twopekinguys]

Indeed! That’s why I’ve decided to move on to more meaningful endeavors. Like witnessing to folks who may perhaps be more interested in scripture,it’s proper definitions in context, and not super glued to a particular denomination,church, or tradition. thanks. I can already see even my meager minor in Greek could be of no help here. People want to see what they want to see. There was truth prior to tradition, but frankly, you’d never know it on this board.

So it is actually you that is “seeing what you want to see”.

Got it, Thank you for your unbiased assessment.

May God bless you in your open and non biased witnessing.

 

[joemf]

ah…so if people disagree with you, they simply have no desire to learn? That is a pretty bold and self-serving statement.

Actually, if you knew the Scriptures, you would know that Tradition is important. Not everything was written down. What did people rely on before it was written down?

I have done many years of research and wandering before finding home. Do not presume that you have more knowledge, desire, or Scriptural-Love just because I disagree with you.

Be Blessed

again…I didnt say tradition wasn’t important, or cant you read? I was merely saying what a good friend and (former Catholic) warned me of…that is…when Catholics are faced with hard language proof of something and it just happens to disagree with tradition, the Catholic will side on tradition over the best scholarship we have on the subject. From what i’ve witnessed, he was right. That’s all .

 

[JHow]

This is supposed to be a thread about Mormonism. By definition it is “super-glued” to the topic. That’s how the forum works.

 

[TexanKnight]

again…I didnt say tradition wasn’t important, or cant you read?

Ah…your “religion” includes insults? Does that come from all your desire and research? I never said you said it was unimportant…or can’t you read? I simply said if you knew the Scriptures, you would know tradition WAS important.

I was merely saying what a good friend and (former Catholic) warned me of…that is…when Catholics are faced with hard language proof of something and it just happens to disagree with tradition, the Catholic will side on tradition over the best scholarship we have on the subject. From what i’ve witnessed, he was right. That’s all .

lol…so some unnamed friend says something that you happen to agree with? Interesting. Yet you form your opinions before attempting a conversation over the issues you feel strongly about.

 

[twopekinguys]

again…I didnt say tradition wasn’t important, or cant you read? I was merely saying what a good friend and (former Catholic) warned me of…that is…when Catholics are faced with hard language proof of something and it just happens to disagree with tradition, the Catholic will side on tradition over the best scholarship we have on the subject. From what i’ve witnessed, he was right. That’s all .

So, you’re here to teach us Catholics where we’ve gone wrong, and to Proseltyze?

Are you saying that you are the “best scholarship we have on the subject”, because you have a minor in Greek, as opposed to the ECF’s, and the Magesterium that have Masters, and Doctorates in Theology?

I’m loving this!

JHow is right, this thread is about mormonism, and not your opinions on someone else’s behavior, or prosteltyzing.

 

[twopekinguys]

Indeed! That’s why I’ve decided to move on to more meaningful endeavors. Like witnessing to folks who may perhaps be more interested in scripture,it’s proper definitions in context, and not super glued to a particular denomination,church, or tradition. thanks. I can already see even my meager minor in Greek could be of no help here. People want to see what they want to see. There was truth prior to tradition, but frankly, you’d never know it on this board.

I forgot a couple of things.

1. Do some research to see where the Bible came from. You don’t think it dropped out of the sky in book form do you? I will help you out, it is a Catholic book. The Catholic Church set the canon for the Bible.
2. If you are using the King James Version, you are using an incomplete Bible. Martin Luther took out 7 books. He wanted to take out 10 at one point, but settled for 7.

Just trying to help spread the entire word of God in his scriptures. Thought I would help you out a bit.

 

[TexanKnight]

I forgot a couple of things.

1. Do some research to see where the Bible came from. You don’t think it dropped out of the sky in book form do you? I will help you out, it is a Catholic book. The Catholic Church set the canon for the Bible.
2. If you are using the King James Version, you are using an incomplete Bible. Martin Luther took out 7 books. He wanted to take out 10 at one point, but settled for 7.

Just trying to help spread the entire word of God in his scriptures. Thought I would help you out a bit.

Methinks he has chosen not to respond anymore.

Surprising, huh?

 

[twopekinguys]

Methinks he has chosen not to respond anymore.

Surprising, huh?

It happens ( I see he has been online since our discussion)

I just want to make sure that if he pops in, he sees it.

I want to be as helpful as possible.

 

[pablope]

Indeed! That’s why I’ve decided to move on to more meaningful endeavors. Like witnessing to folks who may perhaps be more interested in scripture,

Well, let me ask…how do you know we catholics here are not interested in Scripture? What gave you that impression?

it’s proper definitions in context,

 

[pablope]

again…I didnt say tradition wasn’t important, or cant you read? I was merely saying what a good friend and (former Catholic) warned me of…that is…when Catholics are faced with hard language proof of something and it just happens to disagree with tradition, the Catholic will side on tradition

over the best scholarship we have on the subject. From what i’ve witnessed, he was right. That’s all .

Let me ask you…how do you define “best scholarship”?

Even St. Paul had to do this…Galatians 2:2 I went in response to a revelation and, meeting privately with those esteemed as leaders, I presented to them the gospel that I preach among the Gentiles. I wanted to be sure I was not running and had not been running my race in vain.

So how do those best scholarships you cite…how do they follow the example of St. Paul above? Who gave them assurance that what they studied is in accordance with what the Apostles handed down?

 

[kimg901]

Our Mass is centered around Scripture, and the most important part is the Eucharist. You may know the KJB and can quote it but are you living it? You, just like mormons, are following a man. Luther decided to “give up” because he didnt think things were right with the C.C. He let Christ down when he let go.

 

[Marie5890]

Joemf,

I tried to reply to your PM, but your stored message box is full.

God’s peace to you and your medical battle, and thank you again for your service to our country.

 

[zaffiroborant]

We did. I responded, yet again, and you said nothing.

I say the LDS “church” is a cult, and has in the very recent past engaged in bullying, kidnapping, theft, harassment, and other crimes.

What say you?

I know nothing of theft, and other crimes, and only of the kidnapping that TK has recounted here. The bullying on the other hand I’ve seen described over and over again. Spend some time reading the posts at New Order Mormon or Faces East and you will see people being mistreated using what can only be described as cult tactics. New Order Mormon is filled with people who are afraid to leave the church and Faces East is filled with people who require those who don’t believe as they do to shut down and shut up.

 

[J_the_Centrist]

OMG I just noticed that it’s back, yay!

 

[kimg901]

OMG I just noticed that it’s back, yay!

Well then, here is some . We love our entertainment!!!

 

[J_the_Centrist]

Well then, here is some . We love our entertainment!!!

Did anyone come to any conclusions yet? Well, in any case my search has led me to believe that Mormons may not be Christians in the sense that we are familiar with, but perhaps in the sense of the ancient heretical groups that challenged orthodoxy. They consider themselves Christian and many of their beliefs (becoming gods, prophet status for church leaders, ALL other denominations being wrong from about 70-100 AD or so, etc.) are anything but that and we all know it. I am leaving this one to God, I still leaning towards no, but there is a tiny chance we could be wrong and it is a tiny chance.

 

[kimg901]

Did anyone come to any conclusions yet? Well, in any case my search has led me to believe that Mormons may not be Christians in the sense that we are familiar with, but perhaps in the sense of the ancient heretical groups that challenged orthodoxy. They consider themselves Christian and many of their beliefs (becoming gods, prophet status for church leaders, ALL other denominations being wrong from about 70-100 AD or so, etc.) are anything but that and we all know it. I am leaving this one to God, I still leaning towards no, but there is a tiny chance we could be wrong and it is a tiny chance.

Ive tried not to label them a “cult”. But the more I study and hear things that the lds church does, it makes me think they are. This is just my opinion on this subject and the C.C has already said they are not but they are also not christian.