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TexanKnight
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actually, it was a tough Easter. My grandmother died ;last week and the funeral/burial was Saturday. Tough week
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twopekinguys
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TexanKnight
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Thank you. She was a devout Baptist. My grandfather, who died in 2002, was a devout Catholic. They were married 68 years. She never missed Church, he never missed Mass. She was interred beside him in a Catholic Mausoleum. I have purchased a place in the same place.
They helped raise me when I did not have a dad, so it was really tough.
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SteveVH
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Texan, I have no disagreement with you about the importance of speaking the truth. Let me be very clear. No Catholic should ever waffle on the truth, not even a little bit. But even Paul, while delivering the truth to the Jews, gave us a great example in apologetics. While speaking the truth that they had crucified the Messiah, he also gave them an out, that being that they had crucified him in their ignorance, which was also true. We know how the Jews reacted to hearing the truth, even though Paul provided a way for them to reconcile the truth with their own behavior. They beat him and threw him in prison. So you are very correct that we cannot know how one will react to the truth.
My only point is that the manner in which the truth is told can determine whether or not that truth is even heard to begin with. I am not in the camp that would compromise truth for the sake of just getting along. I can think of nothing more pointless than that.
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mtolympus
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Can you show where you were “bashed”? The only thing I remember is that some Catholics told of their experience with Mormons that was not quite as negative as yours.
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SteveVH
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I would not call what I have seen, “bashing”. I have seen things that would have been better left unsaid, and I do believe that we are all better off when we can actually communicate. But I will say this as well. Communication with many Mormon posters is a frustrating business to say the least.I have yet to see the Mormon bashing actually bare any good fruit…It just keeps circling around around around around around around
Nothing productive.
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kimg901
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How is telling the truth with conviction fruitless efforts? Why should we sugar coat it when they wont believe the truth? Are we supposed to treat these grown ups like children and hold their hands? No. Did Jesus or His Apostiles back down? Why should we?I haven’t seen tough love. I’ve seen fruitless efforts.
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Marie5890
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Efforts that don’t bare fruit are fruitless.
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kimg901
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Only fruitless to human minds. The Lord knows our intent. Right now its fruitless but the seeds have been planted. Now its up to them to water and care for the seeds 
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Marie5890
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Yes the communications most assuredly have been frustrating at the very at times. Often times I don’t really see it as an effort of productive dialogue but a wanting a needing to score points of sorts. Some forms of communication tend to be more productive and fruitful over others. Some are more gifted or skilled at communication than others.
In general people do the best with whatever light whatever gifts or soils they have…or don’t have…with whatever baggage they come with.
All that said, I havent seen these kinds of threads produce credible fruit. Just a lot of merry go -round -round - round.
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twopekinguys
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So, a person is rushed into surgery, the person dies, the surgery was “fruitless”?Efforts that don’t bare fruit are fruitless.
I think you need to reexamine your view of what 'fruitless" means.
A mother carries a child 8 1/2 months, and the baby is stillborn. That was fruitless?
I think you need to reexamine your view of what 'fruitless" means.
Just because you deem an action to be “fruitless” has absolutely no bearing on whether or not the action was truly “fruitless”.
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Marie5890
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I work on our family farm…I know the meaning of fruitless … LOL
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Marie5890
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Your surgery analogy is an example of futile
Your child born stillborn is an example of death after life lived.
I think you may want to come up with other examples.
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twopekinguys
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Think again. I’m just going with the definition you chose.
Was it fruitless to attempt the surgery?Efforts that don’t bare fruit are fruitless.
Was it fruitless to carry the child?
It is never fruitless to tell the ***truth ***about something. Especially mormonism.
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kimg901
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Let me ask you this Marie, do you pray for others and their conversion? If yes, then its fruitless, it bears no fruit because they are not changing in their hearts. It may seem like we are not bearing fruit here but to us, time just ticks by, to God its different.
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twopekinguys
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So, that means you know about vegetable plants and trees not bearing fruit?I work on our family farm…I know the meaning of fruitless … LOL
I’m not following.
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twopekinguys
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Marie,
I suggest you see what the synonyms for fruitless and futile are.
I will save you some time. They are synonyms for each other.
I suggest you see what the synonyms for fruitless and futile are.
I will save you some time. They are synonyms for each other.
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TexanKnight
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Actually, the word is “bear” but are u saying that the efforts of Jesus that did not bear fruit were fruitless?Efforts that don’t bare fruit are fruitless.
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TexanKnight
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So, it would seem Marie never prays for anyone or anything unless she is sure it will happen. She never plays a game or takes a chance she knows will not succeed. Because to do any of that would be futile/fruitless
Sorry. I do not roll that way. I will tell the truth about God no matter how hopeless it might seem.
Sorry. I do not roll that way. I will tell the truth about God no matter how hopeless it might seem.
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RebeccaJ
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Sad. You have my prayers for you and your family, and of course for the soul of your grandmother.
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