How is the LDS a cult?

[Miriam1947]

There are many things that bother me about Mormonism but the garments are not one of them. Yes I know they have symbols that mean whatever it is they mean. But, my point is we Catholics often wear scapulars under our clothes as a sign of piety.

Not the same, I understand as it is not something that we must do, but the garments are the least of it to me.

 

[zaffiroborant]

In your opinion, why would you say that members of the Church no longer share all things in common?

It’s not something I thought much about so I haven’t formed any opinion. It seems though in Acts that people were complaining about being treated unfairly in the distribution of food.

 

[Porknpie]

I don’t know if you read my above post or not, but I am only engaging in this search because I am taking up the challenge of my previous assumptions that Mormon’s are Christian. I never had any intention of converting and I previously defended them only in the name of Christian unity, nothing more. The devil has not deceived me, I don’t know if that is what you are suggesting and while he does mange to deceive me other times (as he deceives us all), that is not the case here. If that is not what you are suggesting than I am misreading you and I apologize, God bless you and keep you.

J - you said you felt sad and disgusted, I thought you were referring to Mormonism…my point only is that while we pray for all Mormons, God will judge them fairly. I never thought of you as converting…

 

[J_the_Centrist]

J - you said you felt sad and disgusted, I thought you were referring to Mormonism…my point only is that while we pray for all Mormons, God will judge them fairly. I never thought of you as converting…

It saddens me because they seem to be using the title of ‘Christian’ to draw people in. It is false advertising to say the least and it does make me sad that such a thing is happening.

 

[Aramis]

J - you said you felt sad and disgusted, I thought you were referring to Mormonism…my point only is that while we pray for all Mormons, God will judge them fairly. I never thought of you as converting…

It saddens me because they seem to be using the title of ‘Christian’ to draw people in. It is false advertising to say the least and it does make me sad that such a thing is happening.

Many Mormons think they hold the same beliefs as proper Christians…

… many Mormons are ignorant of what Mainstream Christian Beliefs are.
… many are good, well intentioned folk, who do many good works, but we know that alone is insufficient for salvation; grace from God is also requisite, and the only assured method of obtaining that grace is the sacraments of the One, Holy, Catholic, & Apostolic Church.

We should pray for the Mormons as if they were pagans, for from a Catholic viewpoint, essentially, they are pagans. We can hope that their belief and desire to be united to Christ counts for baptism of desire, but cannot trust it to be so. Same for JWs. Same also for Gnostic Christian sects.

 

[gburgos2002]

**** the latter day sect is a cult in some ways; it upholds the teaching a man by the name of joseph smith. the mormon sect doesnt follow the bible, in fact they say the bible is corrupted- and on top of that the mormon cult holds on to some of the strangest doctrines
1- jesus and satan were brothers
2- that god the father had flesh and blood like we did, and was once a mortal
3- that man can be a god on another planet if they follow the commandments of the sect (this is actually polytheism if you look at it)
4- god the father resides in a planet called kolob
5- native americans were descendants of the hebrew israelites
6- the mormons practice secret mason-like oaths and rites
(the sure sign of the of the nail… the tokens of the Melchizedek and Aaronic priesthoods)

mormonism is a great deception and comes from the pits of hell!!

 

[twopekinguys]

It saddens me because they seem to be using the title of ‘Christian’ to draw people in. It is false advertising to say the least and it does make me sad that such a thing is happening.

You are experiencing the same thing that many ex-mormons feel / felt.

Betrayal.

Pray for them, just like we are praying for you.

It is easy to pray for someone you know or like. It is harder to pray for those you don’t.

 

[mtolympus]

It saddens me because they seem to be using the title of ‘Christian’ to draw people in. It is false advertising to say the least and it does make me sad that such a thing is happening.

We are not Christians only because we don’t fit your definition of a Christian. It is a matter of semantics. Some Christians don’t believe Catholics are Chirstians, but that is not a reason to say Catholics are not sincere in what they believe.

 

[Miriam1947]

We are not Christians only because we don’t fit your definition of a Christian. It is a matter of semantics. Some Christians don’t believe Catholics are Chirstians, but that is not a reason to say Catholics are not sincere in what they believe.

You are absolutely right.

Mormons certainly do not fit the definition of a Christian and for most of their history this was something they were proud of. I think that has changed because Mormonism wants to become mainstream and you cannot be mainstream with some of the beliefs that Mormonism teaches.

But just a difference of semantics?

I don’t think so. It starts with the Creation and goes on through who Jesus is and what is the Trinity. Those issues are not semantics, those issues are the heart of what is un-Christian about Mormonism.

If some Christians don’t believe that Catholics are Christians they prove their ignorance.

Anybody can read our Catechism and read what we are taught and why and in this internet age it means that they no longer have an excuse to remain ignorant.

Mormonism? No. The beliefs of Mormons as taught, written down, changed, etc., are not Christianity.

 

[Literalist]

For those on this post:

What is your definition of a cult?

 

[mtolympus]

You are absolutely right.

Mormons certainly do not fit the definition of a Christian and for most of their history this was something they were proud of. I think that has changed because Mormonism wants to become mainstream and you cannot be mainstream with some of the beliefs that Mormonism teaches.

But just a difference of semantics?

I don’t think so. It starts with the Creation and goes on through who Jesus is and what is the Trinity. Those issues are not semantics, those issues are the heart of what is un-Christian about Mormonism.

If some Christians don’t believe that Catholics are Christians they prove their ignorance.

Anybody can read our Catechism and read what we are taught and why and in this internet age it means that they no longer have an excuse to remain ignorant.

Mormonism? No. The beliefs of Mormons as taught, written down, changed, etc., are not Christianity.

 

[mtolympus]

You are absolutely right.

Mormons certainly do not fit the definition of a Christian and for most of their history this was something they were proud of. I think that has changed because Mormonism wants to become mainstream and you cannot be mainstream with some of the beliefs that Mormonism teaches.

But just a difference of semantics?

I don’t think so. It starts with the Creation and goes on through who Jesus is and what is the Trinity. Those issues are not semantics, those issues are the heart of what is un-Christian about Mormonism.

If some Christians don’t believe that Catholics are Christians they prove their ignorance.

Anybody can read our Catechism and read what we are taught and why and in this internet age it means that they no longer have an excuse to remain ignorant.

Mormonism? No. The beliefs of Mormons as taught, written down, changed, etc., are not Christianity.

You may define a Christian any way you wish. However, Christ defined a Christian as those who have love one for another.

 

[KathleenGee]

How much to Mormons love Catholics? I hear there is alot of backstabbing.

It is not a matter of semantics. It is a matter about the truth of Who Christ is and the history of Salvation History.

The truth of Christ is not in the Mormon religion, and the practices are about yourself becoming a god, even the growth going into eternity…narcissism. Man, the sinner, cannot give life. And there were no independent spirit men floating around God the Creator either.

Mormonism doesn’t add up, just constantly changing its face for the opinion of man.

 

[J_the_Centrist]

We are not Christians only because we don’t fit your definition of a Christian. It is a matter of semantics. Some Christians don’t believe Catholics are Chirstians, but that is not a reason to say Catholics are not sincere in what they believe.

No, no, and no, most of the Christians that accuse us of not being Christian fail to realize that their churches all sprang from ours. Post death baptisms are not in any way Christian, nor is the notion of mortals becoming gods and the whole gods on other planets thing, come on now! It is not ‘semantics’ at all and you know it! If you are not Christian why do you advertise it as such? I still haven’t come to a complete conclusion as to what your faith is, but it doesn’t seem very Christian to me, at least from where I sit here and now.

 

[KathleenGee]

Now J Centrist…you are beginning to experience this…

Mormonism is a belief system of its own and draws from Judaism, Christianity, and Egyptian practices to create a new religion.

A friend said Mormonism is one of those that ‘neutralizes’ Christianity. It is more honest of Mormonism to just stay with the book of Mormon and change again, making new names and live Christ and Judaism alone.

It can use the Egyptian plates, the alleged places in America, keep Joseph Smith, and Brigham Young, and its practices going way back. Just don’t use the sacred Holy Name of Jesus.

 

[Aramis]

You may define a Christian any way you wish. However, Christ defined a Christian as those who have love one for another.

Typical LDS misrepresentation…

Jesus never used the term. The term was first used by outsiders, and is noted as such in the bible.

 

[Porknpie]

You may define a Christian any way you wish. However, Christ defined a Christian as those who have love one for another.

Bible verse please.

Christians follow Christ. You can not be a Christian and not follow Christ.

16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me, and whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.”

He was speaking to the apostles. They are the “you”. Those apostles taught their successors, Bishops in the Catholic Church. The successors taught their successors and it continued…we call it apostolic succession, the Word of God of was preached orally and eventually some of the oral Tradition was put to the written Word.

Mormons are believing a false gospel that was not taught in the Church. They are not listening to the correct Gospel handed down through the ages and in doing so are rejecting who Christ is and are rejecting the Father who sent Christ. Believing in Joseph Smith is to follow a new gospel and scripture warns us to not follow any new gospel, even one from an Angel (Moroni). There was no apostasy in the early Church, let alone a great apostasy. No need to restore anything.

[BIBLEDRB]Galatians 1:8[/BIBLEDRB]

 

[mtolympus]

Typical LDS misrepresentation…

Jesus never used the term. The term was first used by outsiders, and is noted as such in the bible.

That is absolutely correct. So what gives the Catholic Church the right to say who is and who is not a Christian?

 

[mtolympus]

Bible verse please.

John 13:34-35

Christians follow Christ. You can not be a Christian and not follow Christ.

Yes, thanks for making that point for me. Christians are “disciples” of Christ. (Acts 11:26) Jesus told us how we can know the followers of Christ:

“A new commandment I give un to you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.” (John 13:34-35) emphasis added.

16 “Whoever listens to you listens to me, and whoever rejects you rejects me, and whoever rejects me rejects the one who sent me.”

He was speaking to the apostles. They are the “you”. Those apostles taught their successors, Bishops in the Catholic Church. The successors taught their successors and it continued…we call it apostolic succession, the Word of God of was preached orally and eventually some of the oral Tradition was put to the written Word.

Mormons are believing a false gospel that was not taught in the Church. They are not listening to the correct Gospel handed down through the ages and in doing so are rejecting who Christ is and are rejecting the Father who sent Christ. Believing in Joseph Smith is to follow a new gospel and scripture warns us to not follow any new gospel, even one from an Angel (Moroni). There was no apostasy in the early Church, let alone a great apostasy. No need to restore anything.

Porknpie, what you are saying here is that Catholics are right and Mormons are wrong. That is fine, you are entitled to your opinion. What you cannot say is that I do not believe that I am a follower of Christ.

 

[batman1973]

John 13:34-35

Yes, thanks for making that point for me. Christians are “disciples” of Christ. (Acts 11:26) Jesus told us how we can know the followers of Christ:

“A new commandment I give un to you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.” (John 13:34-35) emphasis added.

Porknpie, what you are saying here is that Catholics are right and Mormons are wrong. That is fine, you are entitled to your opinion. What you cannot say is that I do not believe that I am a follower of Christ.

You are a follower of Christ. A false, weak, lying spirit brother of the devil Christ. That’s not the real Jesus. The real Jesus is God. He never lies, and upholds His promises.