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SteveVH
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Yes, I think everyone is aware that they taught Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. They did not teach, however, that Jesus is a devil. That is twisting their erroneous belief into something it is not.
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batman1973
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Point of clarification: I am NOT referring to their Christ as a devil Christ just saying that their Christ the spirit brother of Lucifer, so I apologize if it didn’t come out the way it should have.
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twopekinguys
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Is there a source for these?
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twopekinguys
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Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
I LOVE that it came from lds dot org. There is no getting around it now
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Porknpie
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“I say to Israel, the Lord will never permit me or any other man who stands as president of the Church to lead you astray. It is not in the program. It is not in the mind of God.” (The Discourses of Wilford Woodruff, pp. 212–13.)Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
I LOVE that it came from lds dot org. There is no getting around it now
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LivingWaters7
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I’d hope that no LDS try to get around it or claim that they aren’t aware of the 14 Fundamentals, since they were reiterated recently in the October 2010 General Conference:Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
I LOVE that it came from lds dot org. There is no getting around it now
Obedience to the Prophets
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J_the_Centrist
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I agree we shouldn’t call them a “cult”, nor should we call them a “business.” I am still trying to figure out if they are Christian or not, so far all answers point to no.I think we need to be kind and say that the lds church is not a cult.
They are a business
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TexanKnight
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They tried to kidnap my childrenI agree we shouldn’t call them a “cult”, nor should we call them a “business.” I am still trying to figure out if they are Christian or not, so far all answers point to no.
sound like cultish behavior to you?
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J_the_Centrist
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Yes absolutely, I was just agreeing with what a previous poster said. I know that there are different branches of Mormonism the question is, do they all adhere to the same ideology? Do they all use the same methods? Can any of them be considered remotely Christian? So far my search leads me to the conclusion that they are not! I hope that you made sure that all the person’s involved in your children’s kidnapping were punished to the full extent of the law, or at least that justice was served!
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kimg901
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There must be something they all adhere to. They all began with one church and seperated so some belief(s) must still be present in their teachings. Im not sure what it is but one day we will know. As for them being considered remotely christian, just saying you believe in Christ doesnt make it so. Satanic cults will try and steal and/or obtain the consecrated Eucharist just to destroy it in a ritual. They truly believe in His Presence in the Eucharist but mormons dont, does that make them believers or followers?
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TexanKnight
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the guy who was part of it spent three days in the hospital. I was afraid to do anything more…I was afraid of retribution.
and this was not a different branch
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twopekinguys
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Why else would they be “Incorporated”? Why build/own a multi-BILLION dollar shopping mall?I agree we shouldn’t call them a “cult”, nor should we call them a “business.” I am still trying to figure out if they are Christian or not, so far all answers point to no.
I think there is nothing wrong with calling them a business.
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Marie5890
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TK, their trying to kidnap your children, do you see this as common behavior, or the behavior of a select few LDS members in trying to kidnap your children.
To be honest, you are the only person I have known who has had the experience of some LDS members trying to kidnap their children,
IE. Your experience is extra-ordinary. In other words, it’s not common practice.
The LDS Church does not have a policy of trying to kidnap children.
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twopekinguys
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Actually, we have had several mormon posters do just that.
Unfortunately in my experience here, I have found that if you ask mormons a single question, you get 12 different answers from 9 mormon posters.
I say that because so much is left up to self interpretation within mormonism.
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Miriam1947
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I noticed your religion line, Religion: Catholic-SSPX communion
I thought that SSPX was not valid confession or Eucharist and does not fulfill Sunday Mass obligation.
Are those things true?
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SteveVH
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After reading your comment again I can see where I may have misunderstood you, possibly due to the punctuation. Please understand that I will be first in line to say that the LDS doctrines concerning the nature of God in general are foreign to the Christian faith. As far as I can see Mormonism paints a false sense of both the nature of God and the nature of man, confusing the two; bringing God down to man’s level, in many ways, and elevating good Mormons to godhood. It is no surprise that they have a false sense of who Jesus is.
As well as confusing divine and human nature, they also confuse these with angelic nature. So in their view it is no big deal for Jesus, who is divine, to be a brother to Lucifer, who was an angel. Yes, it is completely opposed to any Christian belief or doctrine and, in the view of Christianity (other than the odd one here and there) is most certainly a false doctrine.
There’s just different ways of saying the same thing. Sorry I misunderstood you.
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luckycross26
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I haven’t read all the posts or arguements, so forgive me. I’d like to give my two cents, seeing as I was born and raised in UT.
I’m on the fence: part of me believes it’s a cult. The reason? It’s leaders. My friends live and breathe the word of the LDS leaders. There is no separationg of church and state here; the LDS majority rules. The people are extremely judgemental. I don’t believe it’s christianity. In fact, the Catholic church does not recogonize LDS baptisims. The Mormon church believes in the word of Joseph Smith. It’s the one part of the Church I absolutely cannot stand. I don’t believe in the Book of Mormon.
However, I’ve met a few good LDS people. They are good people, and understand my position. I’ve also met pushy missionaries. They often come to my door, trying to get me back into the Church.
I’m on the fence: part of me believes it’s a cult. The reason? It’s leaders. My friends live and breathe the word of the LDS leaders. There is no separationg of church and state here; the LDS majority rules. The people are extremely judgemental. I don’t believe it’s christianity. In fact, the Catholic church does not recogonize LDS baptisims. The Mormon church believes in the word of Joseph Smith. It’s the one part of the Church I absolutely cannot stand. I don’t believe in the Book of Mormon.
However, I’ve met a few good LDS people. They are good people, and understand my position. I’ve also met pushy missionaries. They often come to my door, trying to get me back into the Church.
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TexanKnight
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Do some research. THEN make your judgments.TK, their trying to kidnap your children, do you see this as common behavior, or the behavior of a select few LDS members in trying to kidnap your children.
To be honest, you are the only person I have known who has had the experience of some LDS members trying to kidnap their children,
IE. Your experience is extra-ordinary. In other words, it’s not common practice.
The LDS Church does not have a policy of trying to kidnap children.
And then, unless YOU have gone thru it, with people in Michigan AND Utah AND Idaho conspiring…and the Stake Pres. doing nothing, perhaops you can withhold what YOU see is normal or not.
Just a suggestion
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J_the_Centrist
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Yes, everyone knows that they are known for being entrepreneurial, but who owns those shopping malls? The leaders of their temples? I haven’t looked into this as it does not concern me, my search is only in regards to what they believe.
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