How is the LDS a cult?

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J_the_Centrist said:
I have to admit, that I lack an understanding of “small town” life, if that is what it can be called. Where everyone goes to the same church (or temple) and believes the same things. Here, there are many areas where pockets (sometimes deep pockets) of anti-Christian (Mormon as well) sentiment reign supreme, but it’s easy to ignore these extremists who are intolerant in the name of tolerance. My church community is tight knit, so I have a place to go where I belong. Even those in the Catholic community who see me as “unorthodox” are easily ignored, as no two Christians can produce any less than three opinions. The diversity is wonderful here and if you can get over the high prices on everything, taxes that would give you a migraine, and overcrowding come on over we’d love to have you! 😃
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I lived in Brooklyn as a child and still miss it. If I ever come into money, I’m coming back. 😃
 
Marie5890 said:
He screwed himself, as far as “temple worthiness” is defined by LDS leadership.

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I don’t know so I’ll ask…for how long is he screwed? If he expressed to LDS leadership that he is in fact, now, paying his taxes, expresses remorse, and says he wants to be a good Mormon, do they say “Great, you’re forgiven!”, and let him in the door?
 
RebeccaJ said:
I don’t know so I’ll ask…for how long is he screwed? If he expressed to LDS leadership that he is in fact, now, paying his taxes, expresses remorse, and says he wants to be a good Mormon, do they say “Great, you’re forgiven!”, and let him in the door?
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Essentially, yes, since repentance is something Mormons believe in. AFA time frame, that would be up to the discretion of his bishop, if I recall correctly.

I think if someone has been excommunicated (his wasnt an excommunicatable offense) I do believe that there is at least a one year time frame before they can be re-baptized. I think. Not positive on that one
 
Marie5890 said:
I am sorry to hear this, Lochias. I will pray for you and all others in this kind of position.

I guess what I am wondering though is it the LDS church itself that is doing this or individual members of it?

I tend to separate what is the policies and doctrine of the church from the behavior of the individual members, just like I do with the Catholic Church and Her members. 🙂
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It was their “church”, not just individual members. Too much clout and power was displayed, beyond the scope of what individual members could accomplish. The powers that be in Utah still harass some of my family members to this day, attempting to have assets frozen and false charges levied. In all of these cases, they were dismissed with prejudice,

Nobody can make excuses for them forever, and I truly wish you wouldn’t as well.
 
Wow folks.:eek:
We’re about to reach the one year mark with this thread.
And the dreaded 1000 posts.
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Miriam1947 said:
I lived in Brooklyn as a child and still miss it. If I ever come into money, I’m coming back. 😃
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And if you do, I will give you the same response the Church gave me when I came back to Catholicism, “welcome home.” 🙂

On another note, I am at work now (lunch time) and I just wanted to say that some of my co-workers, who are not even Catholic (two Baptists and a Methodist) believe that Mormonism is a cult. These feelings are not restricted to Catholics alone, the Baptist lady I work with says a lot more hateful things than anything that is being said here. All I can say is “wow.”
 
J_the_Centrist said:
And if you do, I will give you the same response the Church gave me when I came back to Catholicism, “welcome home.” 🙂

On another note, I am at work now (lunch time) and I just wanted to say that some of my co-workers, who are not even Catholic (two Baptists and a Methodist) believe that Mormonism is a cult. These feelings are not restricted to Catholics alone, the Baptist lady I work with says a lot more hateful things than anything that is being said here. All I can say is “wow.”
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My brother and I do not talk anymore because he got “saved” and now considers Catholics doomed.
 
Likewise…it is another problem that is not based on objective truth, and is another Christian vs Christian false movement to bring divisions in Christ’s body.

It mostly comes out of our country and goes out into the world.

We are at point zero in fractured Christianity.
 
CarolNoel said:
That is so sad to hear when family rejects someone because of religion.

I pray he changes his mind.
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he won’t until he needs something from me.

But, I would rather lose a brother and be in the True Church than keep him and reject the truth
 
TexanKnight said:
he won’t until he needs something from me.

But, I would rather lose a brother and be in the True Church than keep him and reject the truth
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As someone who comes from a religiously diverse family, I really feel sorry for you. No family member should ostracize other family members because of beliefs. Even with all I have found out about Mormonism in the past few weeks, most of which I view negatively to say the least, I would never excommunicate a family member (especially a close one) for belonging to that religion. Sad! :sad_bye:
 
As someone who comes from a religiously diverse family, I really feel sorry for you. No family member should ostracize other family members because of beliefs. Even with all I have found out about Mormonism in the past few weeks, most of which I view negatively to say the least, I would never excommunicate a family member (especially a close one) for belonging to that religion. Sad!
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Hear hear! I’m glad that my own LDS family didn’t treat me like that when I ended my membership. Now I might go back. How the world turns.

I’m surprised to see Catholics (who use terms like the “cult of Mary” in favorable usage) resort to the Protestant usage of the word “cult,” i.e. a religion that the speaker hates. Derogatory terms like that always say more about the user than about the object described.
 
Ezekiel_Stone said:
Hear hear! I’m glad that my own LDS family didn’t treat me like that when I ended my membership. Now I might go back. How the world turns.

I’m surprised to see Catholics (who use terms like the “cult of Mary” in favorable usage) resort to the Protestant usage of the word “cult,” i.e. a religion that the speaker hates. Derogatory terms like that always say more about the user than about the object described.
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No…it speaks of truth. Stop being afraid of truth
 
J_the_Centrist said:
As someone who comes from a religiously diverse family, I really feel sorry for you. No family member should ostracize other family members because of beliefs. Even with all I have found out about Mormonism in the past few weeks, most of which I view negatively to say the least, I would never excommunicate a family member (especially a close one) for belonging to that religion. Sad! :sad_bye:
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My LDS older brother didn’t speak to me for 9 years after I left the LDS church. We were very close growing up, so this was painful to me. He was a bishop for most of that time. He instructed his wife and children to hang up on me (his daughter told me that the time she answered the phone). Once I called on a Monday evening, knowing he would probably be home. His wife answered and told me that my brother could not speak to me because it was Family Home Evening. I asked her if I was not family. Her answer was “We’ll, you won’t be with us in the celestial kingdom”. Then she hung up as instructed.

The only reason he called me after 9 years was that he was in financIal trouble and wanted to borrow money from me.

Such is Mormonism.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
PaulDupre said:
My LDS older brother didn’t speak to me. For 9 years after I left the LDS church. We were very close growing up, so this was painful to me. He was a bishop for most of that time. He instructed his wife and children to hang up on me (his daughter told me that the time she answered the phone). Once I called on a Monday evening, knowing he would probably be home. His wife answered and told me that my brother could not speak to me because it was Family Home Evening. I asked her if I was not family. Her answer was “We’ll, you won’t be with us in the celestial kingdom”. Then she hung up as instructed.

The only reason he called me after 9 years was that he was in financIal trouble and wanted to borrow money from me.

Such is Mormonism.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
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Did you lend him the money and does he still keep in touch?
 
Miriam1947 said:
Did you lend him the money and does he still keep in touch?
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Yes, I lent him the money. No, he doesn’t keep in touch. The last time we spoke was at our father’s funeral. He was very unfriendly and took several swipes at the Catholic Church. He was never a jerk before he converted to Mormonism.
 
Ezekiel_Stone said:
Hear hear! I’m glad that my own LDS family didn’t treat me like that when I ended my membership. Now I might go back. How the world turns.

I’m surprised to see Catholics (who use terms like the “cult of Mary” in favorable usage) resort to the Protestant usage of the word “cult,” i.e. a religion that the speaker hates. Derogatory terms like that always say more about the user than about the object described.
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Would you be happier if we said its not a cult, but a business? And yes, its both. No tithe, no temple or heaven 🤷
 
kimg901 said:
Would you be happier if we said its not a cult, but a business? And yes, its both. No tithe, no temple or heaven 🤷
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Like I said, I’m an ex-mormon. I could not pay tithing even if I wanted to. If the LDS church is a business, then why won’t they take my money? Or yours? Try it. If you’re not LDS, walk up and try to pay tithing.

Just because you don’t understand something doesn’t mean that it’s evil.

I’ve never known a mormon that paid tithing out of fear of hell. I do know members of some other sects that pay out of that motivation … But mormons generally pay because they think that they are getting blessings in this life or in the next.

Another fallacy with your term business, is, if it’s a business, then who is getting all the profit? Who is living high on the hog? Bishops? Stake Presidents? Apostles? do tell. As far as I see, it’s all being used for chapels, temples, food for the hungry, various projects … some of our LDS tithing money actually goes directly to Catholic Charities… the church doesn’t even buy first class tickets for its leaders, IIRC.

It’s not a question of me being happy or not happy with your answers. I’m just telling you what your statements mean to me. Someone calls Mormons a cult, what I hear is that that person hates Mormons. Actually some of you motivate me to go back to the LDS church. Nothing makes me want to leave the LDS church like reading a mormon blog, and nothing makes me want to be Mormon again than listening to TexanKnight talk about Mormons.
 
PaulDupre
My LDS older brother didn’t speak to me. For 9 years after I left the LDS church. We were very close growing up, so this was painful to me. He was a bishop for most of that time. He instructed his wife and children to hang up on me (his daughter told me that the time she answered the phone). Once I called on a Monday evening, knowing he would probably be home. His wife answered and told me that my brother could not speak to me because it was Family Home Evening. I asked her if I was not family. Her answer was “We’ll, you won’t be with us in the celestial kingdom”. Then she hung up as instructed.
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Paul, would you mind if I gave what you said to my brother who is an LDS stake president? I bet he’d read that over the pulpit, as an example of textbook hypocrisy. . My sympathies, Paul. If that happened to me, I’d have a bad taste in my mouth about Mormons, too. I can’t blame you.
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