How is the LDS a cult?

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Oh, and by the way, welcome to my ignore list.
Oh also, this is very amusing, and I didn’t want to bring it up earlier, but I thought I was already on it (you told me “welcome to my ignore list” awhile ago), which is why I was utterly surprised that you responded to my post to you earlier! Thank you, I assume I’ll see you the next time I am removed from then welcomed back to your ignore list.
 
What did I demonstrate water? That I care for other peoples souls? Oh, my bad that I care.:mad:
Thank you for demonstrating the proselytizing of Latter-day Saints, which is against the forum rules (all proselytizing, whether against Catholics or non-Catholics, is against CAF rules).
 
Thank you for demonstrating the proselytizing of Latter-day Saints, which is against the forum rules (all proselytizing, whether against Catholics or non-Catholics, is against CAF rules).
Did I say convert over to the Catholic Church or any other church? No. Just give in to Christ and His teachings. Theres nothing wrong with that is there?
 
Did I say convert over to the Catholic Church or any other church? No. Just give in to Christ and His teachings. Theres nothing wrong with that is there?
No, there is not. But remember, to the unsaved, especially those mislead by false teachers, will be offended.
 
No, theThis is why we need to pray for them.re is not. But remember, to the unsaved, especially those mislead by false teachers, will be offended.
Especially the muslims since they refuse Jesus as God. This is why, with all love and charity, we need to pray for them to come to the truth.
 
God calls men with what knowledge they have to do a job.

and the backpeddling begins…

It is no different that Joseph Smith being called as a prophet of God with little education. I have held many positions and had to learn what was involved to magnify that calling.

and you DID learn!

You were just a guy before you were called, and just a guy after you were released. You may have increased in knowledge, but I asure you that does not put you on a higher level than any other member of the church.

Another typical tactic! If you can’t debate what I say, then act like I said something else. I never said I was better than anyone for having served. I said that, having served, I can;t be fooled about LDS Doctrine.

And I knew this would be your response.

Just as I knew you would belittle the callings then backpeddle.

God looks at the person to give them what they need to grow. Example, I was just released as primary chorister. I been in bishoprics, been Eldrer’s quorum councilor and president. I have taught for years Gospel principles, and Gospel doctrine, nursery. I love the church and what it teaches me. I know of bishops who had little knowledge of the gospel, and the same with elders quorums presidents. I have seen councilors who have been called and served honorable, but to fall into inactivity. I have seen others who have continued to grow and become a stake president which happened to one of my councilors when I was EQ pres. And he was my home teacher who showed up twice in a year and a half, which I bring up when he talks to me about the times I miss.

All irrelevant. My point was not what callings can do or not do. My point was that the LDS god allegedly thought I was smart enough, or could learn enough, or knew enough to be a teacher and to be in other leadership positions. I also was taught at the MTC and continued to learn over my time as a missionary. I studied hard to be a good Mormon. I read a plethora of LDS Books in an effort to learn. And that is what eventually led me away.

You guys are funny. If someone speaks out against the LDS Church, you claim it is because they really do not know. If one of us then says “yes, we do, we were Mormon” Then you say “well, you really never really learned” so if one of us says, “no, we had positions where we learned and taught” you reply “I knew a lot of folks in positions who were stupid”. If we say “God calls stupid people?” You backtrack.

The bottom line, I KNOW what was taught by the LDS Church. I know the things you whitewash and disclaim now. I cannot be fooled. Others here are just like me. We know.

We are far from perfect my friend, but that does not mean that God does not make use to the best of our abilities to help build his kingdom. We send out thousands of missionaries every year who are sucessful in bring many to the church, not because of their great knowledge, but by the spirit. My great grand uncle J Golden Kimball once stated, “The church has to be true, or the missionaries would have killed it out long ago.”

Well, if THAT is your yardstick, the you have to become Catholic. We have had missionaries thousands of years longer than you have, and we are STILL not killed out.
 
So what was it that you felt was false teachings?
Long list. The fact that God was once a sinful man was high on that list. The 9 versions of the first vision was, for someone in law school, a hard thing to swallow. When witnesses in court give TWO different versions of an event, I win. Imagine when a witness has 9 versions?

Again…long list.
 
Once again we are told we are lying. This is real offensive. You are saying that LDS lie? Are you saying that I am purposely trying to decieve those I teach? How on earth can you sit there in judgement of me.

If you do not truly know the hidden and glossed-over doctrine, then no, you are not lying. You are teaching lies, but you are not lying.
 
I love the little word games you like to use along with your obsessive tendencies. This is another common tactic we see.

I am not going to go through all of your drivel, because, quite simply that is all it is.

You are clearly trying to equate CARM with CAF, and it just doesn’t work that way.

While you may not come out and specifically state you discount what someone says because they are ex mormon, that is clearly your intent. I love how people like you try to pull this.

It is most typically seen when current mormons make the statement, Don’t tell me what I believe, without realizing the person they are talking with is a former mormon.

The don’t tell me what i believe statement is also quite frequently used as the persecution card.

Trust me, we have seen these tactics over the years.

You might want to take a cue from Fatboys. His original posting style is much like yours, but has become more conversational. Try it.

If I have made this too complicated for you, I am sorry.

Oh, and by the way, welcome to my ignore list.
When he does not have anything to support his beliefs, he does the tactics you have described. You made good points. I am sorry they were ignored.
 
Oh also, this is very amusing, and I didn’t want to bring it up earlier, but I thought I was already on it (you told me “welcome to my ignore list” awhile ago), which is why I was utterly surprised that you responded to my post to you earlier! Thank you, I assume I’ll see you the next time I am removed from then welcomed back to your ignore list.
Did that make you feel better?
 
Long list. The fact that God was once a sinful man was high on that list. The 9 versions of the first vision was, for someone in law school, a hard thing to swallow. When witnesses in court give TWO different versions of an event, I win. Imagine when a witness has 9 versions?

Again…long list.
Tex -

Do I understand correctly…that the 12 people who initially claimed to have seen the golden tablets all eventually recanted their testimony? Assuming true, was this on your list and if so how hi? All 12 witnesses recanting seems like something that I would pay attention to…
 
Tex -

Do I understand correctly…that the 12 people who initially claimed to have seen the golden tablets all eventually recanted their testimony? Assuming true, was this on your list and if so how hi? All 12 witnesses recanting seems like something that I would pay attention to…
No…they did not. But that is not surprising.

First, remember they were all family and/or close family friends. Second, we find from Martin Harris that they really only saw the plates “with their Spiritual Eyes”.

Finally, there is no way any could have recanted. They were already receiving violence from non LDS…imagine the violence from LDS if they recanted…and the lawsuits for fraud…would have destroyed them. But almost all DID leave the LDS Church…which, if God TRULY told them it was THE Church, would you ever leave?
 
Typical childish tantrum. Another typical tactic.
Yes.

If I had nothing else to defend my position, and if my church had been proven to as false as theirs, I would likely act the same way as he does. So, I cut him some slack
 
What we post is not meant to be taken personally. I still love the best parts of the LDS Church and I love my LDS brothers and sisters. I have really good friends who are LDS. But, as Catholics, we are called to defend and to expose falseness. As Pope Leo said, “He that sees another in error and endeavors not to correct it, testifies himself to be in error.”

This is all I try to do.
 
I have asked this question here and never had it answered. How do you know that what you believe is more correct than what I believe? How was this proof manifest to you?
You did. You just ignored them
Stephen168 said:
Reason, science, and history have proven Mormonism wrong. Joseph Smith made up stuff which we have shown in this thread.
twopekinguys said:
We have the Bible.

We have a continuous, unbroken line of succession all the way back to Peter.

The Catholic Church was founded by Christ, not by a conman in a grove.

We have consistent, unchanging doctrine.

We have never not answered a question, and just bore our testimony.

We have provided consistent references for everything stated. Unfortunately, you can’t say the same thing.

ETA: We weren’t founded by a “prophet” that made several failed prophecies. Remember, it only takes one to make them a false prophet. Joseph had several.
Want me to go on?
 
You did. You just ignored them
I would like to add this, and maybe it will provide a little more clarity.

The God of the Bible is constant, never changing.

He doesn’t change his mind, therefore his doctrine never changes.

When Christ said, “It is finished”, he meant it. He fulfilled all prophesies, and was the completion of revelation. He didn’t say, “I’ll give you more later when I change my mind.”, he also didn’t say, “I may change my mind on a few things and get back to you.”

A simple prayer that Catholics say is “Glory be to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be. Amen”

This link gives a very good, albeit brief explanation of it.
 
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