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TexanKnight
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You truly don’t know?
Then study more. As Joseph Smith taught, but Joseph Fielding quoted “as man is, God once was, as god is, man may become.”
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Then study more. As Joseph Smith taught, but Joseph Fielding quoted “as man is, God once was, as god is, man may become.”
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batman1973
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Independent RLDS Restoration branches are a group of Churches that believe the Community of Christ is in a state of apostasy, and have nothing to do with the Community of Christ. The Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is one such group that came out of the CoC. They see themselves as the true successor to Joseph Smith’s Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. (along with every other so-called “restored gospel” group:shrug: ) Their “prophet” is a direct decendant of Joseph Smith, Jr. You know, for a Mormon, you sure don’t know Restoration history very well.
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zaffiroborant
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And if you can’t see how that is different than including everyone except a small group with a particular “lineage” (to use your apologists deceitful language) maybe you could try talking to some kindergarten teachers. They explain these kinds of situation to five year olds all the time.
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RebeccaJ
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Yes, nice try.
The Bible teaches no such thing. Exclusion is a Mormon principle, I see still alive and well. Inclusion is God’s Will. Christ died for all.
Young was a racist, pure and simple, and made his racism part of the Mormon religious institution.
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kimg901
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Im sorry, but what in the h**l does that verse have to do with a church making you pay to enter heaven? You can repent all you want but if you continue to sin you wont be forgiven (like always commiting the same sin)
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dberrie2000
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Cite, please. And where would one go to find that doctrine taught in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?
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dberrie2000
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The Biblical record has God as a man–could you explain how that makes Him a sinner? Where in that record do you find His sins? What were those sins?
That the early church believed in the deification of man is no secret:
Revelation 3:21----King James Version (KJV)
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Irenaeus–Against Heresies–Book5, preface:
For it is thus that thou wilt both controvert them in a legitimate manner, and wilt be prepared to receive the proofs brought forward against them, casting away their doctrines as filth by means of the celestial faith; but following the only true and stedfast Teacher, the Word of God, our Lord Jesus Christ, who did, through His transcendent love, become what we are, **that He might bring us to be even what He is Himself. **
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dberrie2000
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dberrie2000
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Please explain for us how the LDS church goes about “making you pay”?
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epan
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Joseph Smith did not appear to have a problem with blacks, who had the mark of Cain. However, on his death, it turned out that Brigham Young was a racist. Probably over encounters in Brazil, the LDS church decided to start ordaining blacks, in 1978. However, they have never actually repudiated their policy. Prior to 1978, they told people of color, that the longer and more devoutly they practiced mormonism, then the whiter their skin would become.My questions are on the bold part.
Wait, what!?
They taught that!?
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dberrie2000
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Well–it most certainly does. The priesthood was limited to just a few within the House of Israel in the OT–with a particular lineage. It was a very exclusive priesthood.
Even following the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ–the NT church did not extend even the gospel to the Gentiles–that came later. The NT church practiced exclusivism until the time of the change to extend the gospel to the Gentiles. The OT practiced exclusivism throughout their history. Today–the priesthood is still limited to a certain lineage.
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dberrie2000
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Who told people of color that?
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epan
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I have seen Mormon videos which make the claim. If you google around, they are out there. It was a part of their doctrine, and pretty well documented. Check the wikipedia entry.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_and_mark_of_Cain
My mom had lots of Mormon friends in high school, and they used to laugh about it. Progressive Mormons thought it was absurd, but it was official doctrine.
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dberrie2000
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If the church has videos that teach that–please specifically name them. If it is official doctrine–then one will not have a hard time locating it.
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Read Post #477
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epan
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youtube.com/watch?v=oFP6VUGwmAg
Oh, also the LDS was being threatened with losing it’s tax exempt status, at the time. That might have had something to do with the great revelation which allowed blacks to be admitted to the LDS.
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twopekinguys
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2 Nephi 5:21 still says:
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"And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, and they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were **white**, and exceedingly fair and **delightsome**, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them."3 Nephi 2:12-15 continues to teach that dark-skinned Lamanites who converted unto the Lord had their **curse “taken from them, and their skin became white **like unto the Nephites.”
If it came from their scriptures, it must be doctriine.
(bolding added)
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TexanKnight
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Lol. Where do you get this stuff? It says nothing like that
However. The LDS “as man is”. Is pretty clear. How IS man? Man is a sinner. Unless you wanna play Bill Clinton as debate the meaning of the word “is”
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dberrie2000
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How does a youtube video represent official church doctrine? Probably most churches held similar racist views concerning black people during the 1800’s.
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