How is the LDS a cult?

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mtolympus said:
A nice mall was perfect to get more vistors to see Temple Square. It must have been revelation!🙂
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Yeah…but how does this contribute to getting people closer to God? To seeing the glory of God? How does this glorify God?
 
pablope said:
Hmmm…but why a mall on church property?

Why not a school, a university, a hospital…a learning center…to be the center of it…and have everyone build around it…but why a mall?
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Good call. How many mormon hospitals are there now??? I think the last count was 0.

Even LDS hospital is owned by someone else, but hey, they have a mall.😃

“On April 1, 1975, the Presiding Bishopric signed the final divestiture agreement transferring ownership and management of LDS Hospital, Primary Children’s Hospital, and thirteen other facilities to the new philanthropic organization. This nonprofit organization was named Intermountain Health Care. It is directed by a geographically and religiously diverse board of trustees. With the divestiture of the hospitals, the Church rapidly expanded its medical missionary program-a program more compatible with its worldwide religious mission.” Read it at eom.byu.edu/index.php/Hospitals
 
mtolympus said:
A nice mall was perfect to get more vistors to see Temple Square. It must have been revelation!🙂
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Revelation? No. More income? Yes. I could think of a thousand things to build instead of a mall and hundreds of church buildings and seminary buildings.
 
kimg901 said:
Revelation? No. More income? Yes. I could think of a thousand things to build instead of a mall and hundreds of church buildings and seminary buildings.
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For a church many think is a money scam anyway, and since it was founded by a gold digger, can you think of anything more appropriate to put near the temple than a mall?
 
TexanKnight said:
For a church many think is a money scam anyway, and since it was founded by a gold digger, can you think of anything more appropriate to put near the temple than a mall?
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Too true TK. hey come see our temple and spend some money while your at it 🤷
 
Come to think of it…no LDS hospital here.

Has anyone also know of Atheist Hospital???

Very opposite history of Catholicism. Helping anyone in ancient Roman empire on record…first to start hospitals, hospice for everyone, higher education for the common people, monastic communities supporting outlying populations as well as be centers of education focused on serving these same populations…so called misnomer…‘Dark Ages’.
 
twopekinguys said:
Even LDS hospital is owned by someone else, but hey, they have a mall.😃
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I know that the LDS Church own LDS Hospital in SLC (is it still called that?) for many years. I do believe it was sold in the 80s (?) to someone else. Not sure why.

And I know they own a several institutions of higher education.
 
I really don’t understand all the hub bub over the LDS Church owning commercial property. What exactly is the objection here? Is it that a religious institution shouldn’t own commercial property at all? Is it that a religious institution may own commercial property but ought not invest in corporate interests? Is it that a religious institution may do all of the above but should rather use their property not set aside for ecclesiastical purposes for secular interests, such as schools, hospitals, charities, etc.? I might caution my fellow Catholics to take a minute to do some preliminary investigative work about our own glass houses before answering.
 
pablope said:
Yeah…but how does this contribute to getting people closer to God? To seeing the glory of God? How does this glorify God?
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Temple Square is one of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints most sacred sites. Upgrading the down town area is worth the investment to make visiting the Temple more enjoyable and safe. There are more requests for visits by the LDS missionaries received there than from any other single location. There is no place on earth one can be closer to God.

For any one who believes my answer is not satisfactory please google the following: “Properties owned by the Catholic Church”

Do you have any questions about any of these articles?

Thanks to everyone for the discussion. Good night.
 
msokeefe said:
People might donate to a food bank, a person in need receives unconditional help? That is wrong. If people can donate food, why can’t someone who needs food donate their labor? It sounds like a win win situation.

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But it’s not charity, working to receive something is employment, where did Christ command us to employ the hungry, the naked, the widowed?
 
mtolympus said:
Temple Square is one of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints most sacred sites. Upgrading the down town area is worth the investment to make visiting the Temple more enjoyable and safe. There are more requests for visits by the LDS missionaries received there than from any other single location.** There is no place on earth one can be closer to God.**

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Of course there is, 24 hours a day 365 days a year people are closer to God and more intimately connected to him than in any “temple”. Right now at the moment I type this and right then at the moment you read it tens (if not thousands ) of thousands of people are standing in the presence of God and receiving Him in a way not that is impossible in your temples.
 
zaffiroborant said:
But it’s not charity, working to receive something is employment, where did Christ command us to employ the hungry, the naked, the widowed?
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If I work and pay for food to donate, why can’t people who need food, donate their labor? Is it ok for me to donate something, but you do not have to donate? I am sure if an elderly person needed food, a donation would not be requested.
 
mtolympus said:
Temple Square is one of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints most sacred sites. Upgrading the down town area is worth the investment to make visiting the Temple more enjoyable and safe. There are more requests for visits by the LDS missionaries received there than from any other single location. There is no place on earth one can be closer to God.
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Oylmpus,

Christ is present in the Holy Eucharist. We receive his resurrected body and blood every time we go to Mass. We are also close to him through Eucharistic Adoration. You can be closest to God in the Catholic Church, receiving Jesus…and adoring him…not visiting a shopping mall.
 
mtolympus said:
Temple Square is one of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints most sacred sites. Upgrading the down town area is worth the investment to make visiting the Temple more enjoyable and safe. There are more requests for visits by the LDS missionaries received there than from any other single location. There is no place on earth one can be closer to God.
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It is so sacred, they will put a mall there. The City Creek Center is a mixed-use development with an upscale open-air shopping center, office and residential buildings, fountain, and simulated creek near Temple Square in downtown Salt Lake City, Utah. It is an undertaking by Property Reserve, Inc. (the commercial real estate division of the Corporation of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints) and cost billions of dollars.

deseretnews.com/article/765561778/Mormon-church-hopes-mall-helps-Salt-Lake-downtown.html

How sacred could it possibly be?

I see nothing sacred about these stores…

shopcitycreekcenter.com/directory

Perhaps the LDS Church should consider changing the phrase “We are led by a prophet” to “We are led by a profit”

Be Blessed
 
Marie5890 said:
I know that the LDS Church own LDS Hospital in SLC (is it still called that?) for many years. I do believe it was sold in the 80s (?) to someone else. Not sure why.

And I know they own a several institutions of higher education.
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It is owned by “Intermountain Healthcare”
 
msokeefe said:
If I work and pay for food to donate, why can’t people who need food, donate their labor? Is it ok for me to donate something, but you do not have to donate? I am sure if an elderly person needed food, a donation would not be requested.
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I think you may be missing the original point of this portion of the thread.

In a disaster, i.e. hurricane, the lds church are right there with donations and volunteers. But in the case of their local members, their “bishop” makes the determination.

A mormom supposedly can look at them and tell whether or not they are able to work. Of course he is using his own opinion about who is able/unable to work, therefore they are not being charitible.

Also, many people today are underemployed, and it makes it hard to make ends meet. But again, if this bishop thinks you are not worthy and you should work more, you don’t get helped.
 
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