How Jesus fullfilled the law

[wiggbuggie]

wiggbuggie,

meltzerboy dealt with that one here.

I would just note that this covenant, like the ones mentioned elsewhere, is exclusively with “the house of Israel and with the house of Judah”- which you certainly don’t believe that the New Testament is. And nowhere does it talk of anything being “obsolete”.

See Psalm 105:

8. He remembered His covenant forever, the word He had commanded to the thousandth generation.

1. Which He had made with Abraham, and His oath to Isaac
2. And He set it up to Jacob as a statute, to Israel as an everlasting covenant

And I Chronicles 16:

***13. The seed of Israel His servant, the children of Jacob, His chosen ones.

1. He is the Lord our God; throughout the earth are His judgments.
2. Remember His covenant forever***, the word which He commanded to a thousand generations.
3. [The covenant] which He had made with Abraham, and His oath to Isaac.
4. And He set it up for Jacob as a statute, to Israel as an everlasting covenant.

Also, you seemed to have missed another important point besides the exclusivity of this covenenant with Israel, and Israel alone:

32. For this is the covenant that I will form with the house of Israel after those days, says the L-rd: I will place My law in their midst and I will inscribe it upon their hearts, and I will be their G-d and they shall be My nation.

We will obey His law- i.e. the commandments, He will be our G-d, and we will be His nation.

The life and ministry of Jesus can be seen as a renewal of the covanent. His whole life and actions prefigure old testament events. Being in the desert for 40 days recounts isreals wonderings in the wilderness for 40 years. The sermon on the mount or beatitudes represents Jesus as the new moses going up a hill and presenting them the new covanent. And even Jesus entry into Jerusalem, death, and ressurrection is the new exodus. (luke 9 27-36) Since Jesus words are eternal and his sacrifice is the one and only sacrifice the torah in effect is still eternal.

 

[YKohen]

Even if you do believe in the New Testament, Jeremiah clearly isn’t talking about such a thing for the reasons I provided. It does, however, fit in flawlessly with other parts of the Bible and G-d’s promises to the nation of Israel, like Deuteronomy Chapter 30, Ezekiel 36-37 (which I personally refer to as “From Auschwitz to Israel”), etc.

 

[Dave_Noonan]

Firstly the Jews weren’t allowed to crucify somebody thats why they used pontius pilate or the roman officials.

If you could provide your historical source for this, I would appreciate it.

 

[wiggbuggie]

Only rome could crucify people since it was there way of capital punishment. The sanhendrin said Jesus was guilty of blasphemy which under mosiac law is death by stoning (Leviticus 24:16). Had Jesus been trialed and put to death by the jewish officials he would of been stoned to death. But look what is says in the gospels:

John 18 28-32

Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover. So Pilate came out to them and asked, “What charges are you bringing against this man?”

“If he were not a criminal,” they replied, “we would not have handed him over to you.”

Pilate said, “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.”

“But we have no right to execute anyone,” they objected. This took place to fulfill what Jesus had said about the kind of death he was going to die.

this site is also a good read

1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/jesustrial.htm

 

[Dave_Noonan]

Only rome could crucify people since it was there way of capital punishment. The sanhendrin said Jesus was guilty of blasphemy which under mosiac law is death by stoning (Leviticus 24:16). Had Jesus been trialed and put to death by the jewish officials he would of been stoned to death. But look what is says in the gospels:

John 18 28-32

Then the Jewish leaders took Jesus from Caiaphas to the palace of the Roman governor. By now it was early morning, and to avoid ceremonial uncleanness they did not enter the palace, because they wanted to be able to eat the Passover. So Pilate came out to them and asked, “What charges are you bringing against this man?”

“If he were not a criminal,” they replied, “we would not have handed him over to you.”

Pilate said, “Take him yourselves and judge him by your own law.”

“But we have no right to execute anyone,” they objected. This took place to fulfill what Jesus had said about the kind of death he was going to die.

this site is also a good read

1215.org/lawnotes/lawnotes/jesustrial.htm

Thanks! I was thinking of something outside of the Bible, but didn’t make that clear at all.