How long should one pray to know that Mormonism is true?

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gurneyhalleck:
Where did you get this funky info, Rebecca? Pretty “out there”…

Sounds like something Dan Aykroyd would say in a Cone Heads movie!
It is LDS doctrine. It comes from the Book of Abraham from the Pearl of Great Price, which is considered scripture by Mormons.

Mormons focus on the Book of Mormon, especially with non-Mormons. A prospective convert is encouraged to commit to reading the Book of Mormon, and pray about it. The Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine and Covenants are left out of their conversion process, altogether. The more “out there” Mormon doctrines are in these scriptures.
 
It is LDS doctrine. It comes from the Book of Abraham from the Pearl of Great Price, which is considered scripture by Mormons.

Mormons focus on the Book of Mormon, especially with non-Mormons. A prospective convert is encouraged to commit to reading the Book of Mormon, and pray about it. The Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine and Covenants are left out of their conversion process, altogether. The more “out there” Mormon doctrines are in these scriptures.
Are you a former LDS or just studied up a lot on their theology?
 
I am! LOL…nice to see so many people have read Dune! yipee! Too bad you didn’t like the Katherine Jefforts Schiori pics on the other thread! LOL
Quick off topic…

I thought so when I saw your screen name! 👍

…back on topic
 
Former LDS.
Rebecca:
That is interesting to know. Thank you for sharing that.

I was an LDS Church member for a short period of time. When I found out what they really believed; I left the Mormon Church. The level of deceit is astounding.

Mormons avoid the truth about what they really believe, claiming to be Christian. Mormonism is not, in any way, Christian. It is a pagan sect.

Christian55
 
Rebecca:
That is interesting to know. Thank you for sharing that.
Ditto 🙂
I was an LDS Church member for a short period of time. When I found out what they really believed; I left the Mormon Church. The level of deceit is astounding.

Mormons avoid the truth about what they really believe, claiming to be Christian. Mormonism is not, in any way, Christian. It is a pagan sect.
God bless. 👍 And yes, you’re right - the revelation of such deceit thanks to one or two LDS members confessing their beliefs is quite telling.
 
Ditto 🙂

God bless. 👍 And yes, you’re right - the revelation of such deceit thanks to one or two LDS members confessing their beliefs is quite telling.
Christian55 and Byzantine Wolf,
I am not put off or threatened at all by your choice of words. “Forgive them, for they know not what they do” is often applicable in the real world.

I will not know any more surely that Christ lives and is the world’s Savior and my Savior when I see Him face to face, than I do right now. His promises and His offering of redemption are sure, whilst the learned blabber of those who as Wordsworth described, are “suckled in a creed outworn” and have “given their hearts away, a sordid boon” are of no moment to me. I would not need the acknowledgment of one single person as to my beliefs and where my heart is and in whom I trust, because I know in whom that trust is, and from whom the communication of divine love and guidance comes.
 
Would you shed pre-conditions on the answers from God in order to form a more perfect union between He and yourself? Jesus leads us to strengthen our communication with God, and to follow his will for us. Believe me, I never had an inclination to join the Catholic tradition, but it was the best thing of my life because it was lead by God when I gave up all pre-conditions to his answers. My LDS bretheren voiced that I was being led astray by the deceiver, but it is impossible to understand part of God’s will for you and be led astray. If we ask, God will tell us. Will we listen?

Blessings,
X
 
Alma,
If your comment was directed to me, then I want you to know that whether you have joined the Catholic church or any denomination you wish to join is fine with me. The Mormon church, as I’ve said previously in this forum, is not for everyone, because some don’t want the covenant-making and covenant-keeping involved, and others don’t understand because the understanding is hidden from their view. God is involved in everyone’s life to the extent that each person lets Him be involved. It is an individual matter, and your choice. May God bless you in what you have chosen for yourself.👍
 
Alma,
If your comment was directed to me, then I want you to know that whether you have joined the Catholic church or any denomination you wish to join is fine with me. The Mormon church, as I’ve said previously in this forum, is not for everyone, because some don’t want the covenant-making and covenant-keeping involved, and others don’t understand because the understanding is hidden from their view. God is involved in everyone’s life to the extent that each person lets Him be involved. It is an individual matter, and your choice. May God bless you in what you have chosen for yourself.👍
1 Timothy 6

20 O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid profane babbling and the absurdities of so-called knowledge. 21 By professing it, some people have deviated from the faith. Grace be with all of you.

The Greek word for knowledge is gnosis. It is a heresy.

And no, we don’t choose what God does.
 
Christian55 and Byzantine Wolf,
I am not put off or threatened at all by your choice of words. “Forgive them, for they know not what they do” is often applicable in the real world.

I will not know any more surely that Christ lives and is the world’s Savior and my Savior when I see Him face to face, than I do right now. His promises and His offering of redemption are sure, whilst the learned blabber of those who as Wordsworth described, are “suckled in a creed outworn” and have “given their hearts away, a sordid boon” are of no moment to me. I would not need the acknowledgment of one single person as to my beliefs and where my heart is and in whom I trust, because I know in whom that trust is, and from whom the communication of divine love and guidance comes.
So…have you confirmed what has been admitted regarding the LDS Church and its opinion of Christianity? I ask because you did not really refute it in your post.
 
Alma,
If your comment was directed to me, then I want you to know that whether you have joined the Catholic church or any denomination you wish to join is fine with me. The Mormon church, as I’ve said previously in this forum, is not for everyone, because some don’t want the covenant-making and covenant-keeping involved, and others don’t understand because the understanding is hidden from their view. God is involved in everyone’s life to the extent that each person lets Him be involved. It is an individual matter, and your choice. May God bless you in what you have chosen for yourself.👍
From your post I read that there is always something wrong with non-Mormons in your view. You believe we are slothful (read up on the 7).You will argue with this Parker but your posts (like this one READ IT) show just what you really think about non-Mormons. Your posts(and your we’re more open to the HS, we listen to God, we are more willing to follow Him) more than any other Mormon poster here leave me inclined to “build a wall” between myself and any Mormons I encounter.

Rebecca has said Mormons have this attitude, Mormons on NOM and FLAK have all said the same thing. Your posts prove that X-Mormons and borderline Mormons are not simply angry at the Mormon Church , but that what they say they have been taught about other religions is true.
 
From your post I read that there is always something wrong with non-Mormons in your view. You believe we are slothful (read up on the 7).You will argue with this Parker but your posts (like this one READ IT) show just what you really think about non-Mormons. Your posts(and your we’re more open to the HS, we listen to God, we are more willing to follow Him) more than any other Mormon poster here leave me inclined to “build a wall” between myself and any Mormons I encounter.

Rebecca has said Mormons have this attitude, Mormons on NOM and FLAK have all said the same thing. Your posts prove that X-Mormons and borderline Mormons are not simply angry at the Mormon Church , but that what they say they have been taught about other religions is true.
Zaffiroborant,
Hello, and I’m sorry. I know this is a public forum, but some of my comments have been directed to a particular person in a particular conversation. I wrote about covenant-making and covenant-keeping because I think the Bible emphasizes those aspects of the gospel. This doesn’t mean I think anyone is slothful. To say people get what they desire and seek for is not saying whether or not they are slothful.

I have repeatedly written here that Catholics can have the Holy Spirit with them. It is an individual matter as to their seeking the Holy Spirit and understanding the guidance and inspiration they receive through the Spirit, as it is for any person on earth. I bring up revelation and the Holy Spirit because it has been really important–of life-changing importance in my life–and I hope it is so for as many other people as possible. You probably have the guidance of the Spirit in your life, as far as I know. You could write about some of your experiences with the Spirit and how the Spirit has changed your life, and that would be interesting and informative for me and others.

Thanks for emphasizing to me your belief in trusting Christ’s promises about being a joint heir with Him through His atoning sacrifice, and what joint heir means about inheriting a throne and divine qualities. I have appreciated reading your perspective when reading your comments. Have a good day.
 
Alma,
If your comment was directed to me, then I want you to know that whether you have joined the Catholic church or any denomination you wish to join is fine with me. The Mormon church, as I’ve said previously in this forum, is not for everyone, because some don’t want the covenant-making and covenant-keeping involved, and others don’t understand because the understanding is hidden from their view. God is involved in everyone’s life to the extent that each person lets Him be involved. It is an individual matter, and your choice. May God bless you in what you have chosen for yourself.👍
No, not really. It was rather dedicated to the subject line of the thread. I think you and I are of an agreeable mind, somuchso that I would humbly borrow from your quote to say that if you belong to the Mormon church or other denomination, it is equally fine with me. The Catholic Church IS for everyone as we celebrate the covenant-making and covenant-keeping with God taught to us through Jesus. It is available to everyone to understand and nothing is hidden from their view. Catholics believe that the TRUE CHURCH is not the Roman tradition, but the body of Christ, which encompasses all Christians. We practice the Roman tradition because we feel that it’s precepts bring us much closer to God through direct communnion and communication. It’s such an easy concept and it is available to everyone to incorporate into their particular tradition or belief system. We, as humans though, need to be conscious of not clogging up the lines of communication with (from my first post) pre-conditions, which is where I felt I was at before being baptized into the Catholic faith. I go to my Heavenly Father now as easily as my son comes to his earthly father, and we both find substantial welcome. God has blessed me more than I deserve, and I hope he will continue to bless you and yours.

Respectfully,
X
 
Some LDS websites contain JD.

Journal of Discourses (JD)

JD 6:2 – p.3, Joseph Smith, April 6, 1844
My first object is to find out the character of the only wise and true God, and what kind of being he is; and if I am so fortunate as to be the man to comprehend God, and explain or convey the principles to your hearts, so that the Spirit seals them upon you, then let every man and woman henceforth sit in silence, put their hands on their mouths, and never lift their hands or voices or say anything against the man of God or the servants of God again. But if I fail to do it, it becomes my duty to renounce all further pretensions to revelations, inspirations, or to be a Prophet; and I should be like the rest of the world – a false teacher, be hailed as a friend, and no man would seek my life. But if all religious teachers were honest enough to renounce their pretensions to godliness, when their ignorance of the knowledge of God is made manifest, they will all be as badly off as I am, at any rate; and you might just as well take the lives of other false teachers as that of mine, if I am false. If any man is authorized to take away my life because he things and says I am a false teacher, then, upon the same principle, we should be justified in taking away the life of every false teacher; and where would be the end of blood? And who would not be the sufferer?

JD 6:3, Joseph Smith, April 6, 1844
But meddle not with any man for his religion; and all governments ought to permit every man to enjoy his religion unmolested. No man is authorized to take away life in consequence of difference of religion, which all laws and governments ought to tolerate and protect, right or wrong. Every man has a natural and, in our country, a constitutional right to be a false prophet as well as a true prophet. If I show, verily, that I have the truth of God, and show that ninety-nine out of every hundred professing religious ministers are false teachers, having no authority, while they pretend to hold the keys of God’s kingdom on earth, and was to kill them because they are false teachers, it would deluge the whole world with blood.

I will prove that the world is wrong, by showing what God is. I am going to inquire after God; for I want you all to know him and to be familiar with him; and if I can bring you to a knowledge of him, all persecutions against me ought to cease. You will then know that I am his servant; for I speak as one having authority.

I will go back to the beginning, before the world was, to show what kind of being God is. What sort of a being was God in the beginning? Open your ears and hear, all ye ends of the earth; for I am going to prove it to you by the Bible, and to tell you the designs of God in relation to the human race, and why he interferes with the affairs of man.

God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret. If the vail was rent to-day, and the great God who holds this world in its orbit, and who upholds all worlds and all things by his power, was to make himself visible, --I say, if you were to see him to-day, you would see him like a man in form –like yourselves, in all the person, image, and very form as a man; for Adam was created in the very fashion, image, and likeness of God, and received instruction from and walked, talked, and conversed with him, as one man talks and communes with another.

In order to understand the subject of the dead, for the consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary that we should understand the character and being of God, and how he came to be so; for** I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the vail, so that you may see.
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These are incomprehensible ideas to some; but they are simple. It is the first principle of the Gospel to know for a certainty the character of God and to know that we may converse with him as one man converses with another, and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ himself did; and I will show it from the Bible. I wish I was in a suitable place to tell it, and that I had the trump of an archangel, so that I could tell the story in such a manner that persecution would cease for ever. What did Jesus say? (Mark it, Elder Rigdon.) The Scriptures inform us that Jesus said, “As the Father hath power in himself, even so hath the Son power”–to do what? Why, what the Father did. The answer is obvious—in a manner, to lay down his body and take it up again. Jesus, what are you doing to do? To lay down my life, as my Father did, and take it up again. Do you believe it? If you
do not believe it, you do not believe the Bible. The Scriptures say it, and I defy all the learning and wisdom and all the combined powers of earth and hell together to refute it.

JD 6:4, Joseph Smith, April 6, 1844
Here, then, is eternal life-to know the only wise and true God; and you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all the Gods have done before you, - namely, by going from one small degree to another, and from a small capacity to a great one, - from grace to grace, from exaltation to exaltation, until you attain to the resurrection of the dead, and are able to dwell in every lasting burnings and to sit in glory, as do those who sit enthroned in everlasting power. And I want you to know that God, in the last days, while certain individuals are proclaiming his name, is not trifling with you or me.
 
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