How long will it take for non-Catholics to finally accept Catholicism?

[elvisman]

Hi! Your discussion here is rather complicated to me. I would just like to comment on your mention of Mary. I’ve not seen Mary mentioned in Revelation. Could you please give me the text? Also, I believe we should not make Mary for what she is not. The Bible plainly tells us that there is only one mediator, and that is Jesus Christ: “For there is one God: and one mediator of God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Tim 2:5).

God bless.

Amen!

The bible also tells us to pray for one another because the prayers of the righteous availeth much (Ephesians 6:18; James 5:16).

According to you guys, we shouldn’t because of your misinterpretation of 1 Tim 2:5. Yes, Jesus is the one mediator - that can save us.

We are CALLED to be mediators for one another - in the sense that we can help each other with our prayers - BUT - only if we are ourselves living good obedient lives (James 5:16).

Revelation 5:8 tells us of the 24 elders pouring out bowls of incense which are the prayers of the saints. A clear reference to prayerful intercession and a direct blow to your completely unscriptural “we can’t intercede for one another” claim.

Answer me this:
If you truly believe this nonsense, then why do you pray for loved ones - or anybody else?

 

[elvisman]

I think if more catholics presented their case in a tactful and respectful manner like Scott Hahn, Marcus Grodi, both John Pauls, and others in that same mold, more people might be “swimming the river” to the rcc.

**And I think that if fewer Protestants came on a Catholic discussion board without a chip on their shoulder the size of Texas and an attitude that would make Napoleon blush, some of those Catholics might be less apt to defend so virulently. **

Ummmm, ever seen the Christian “love and charity” displayed on the Protestant carm.org?

It goes BOTH ways, my friend.

 

[reteeks21]

And I think that if fewer Protestants came on a Catholic discussion board without a chip on their shoulder the size of Texas and an attitude that would make Napoleon blush, some of those Catholics might be less apt to defend so virulently.

Ummmm, ever seen the Christian "love and charity" displayed on the Protestant carm.org?

It goes BOTH ways, my friend.

And thus my point has been proven.

1.) I never attacked anyone on here
2.) I mentioned folks who I admire immensely. Too much arguing takes place between protestants and catholics that it blots out those who discuss their faith in a respectable way
3.) To respond to a post with a tit-for-tat answer shows the animosity you hold. So much so that you attack someone’s response under the assumption that I was attcking catholics. I simply answered the question put before us.

Also, if you use the word “friend”, use it in the way it is intended to be used. Friends don’t respond by attacking the other person.

 

[elvisman]

And thus my point has been proven.

1.) I never attacked anyone on here
2.) I mentioned folks who I admire immensely. Too much arguing takes place between protestants and catholics that it blots out those who discuss their faith in a respectable way
3.) To respond to a post with a tit-for-tat answer shows the animosity you hold. So much so that you attack someone’s response under the assumption that I was attcking catholics. I simply answered the question put before us.

Also, if you use the word “friend”, use it in the way it is intended to be used. Friends don’t respond by attacking the other person.

First of all, I wasn’t attacking you, per se. I was making an observation based on your comments:
"I think if more catholics presented their case in a tactful and respectful manner like Scott Hahn, Marcus Grodi, both John Pauls, and others in that same mold, more people might be “swimming the river” to the rcc." (note that you put “rcc” in lowercase)

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I was making the point that if many Catholics weren’t attacked so unfairly first - they wouldn’d respond so harshly to their persecutors.

**YOU have proven my point, my friend. **

 

[reteeks21]

First of all, I wasn’t attacking you, per se. I was making an observation based on your comments:
"I think if more catholics presented their case in a tactful and respectful manner like Scott Hahn, Marcus Grodi, both John Pauls, and others in that same mold, more people might be “swimming the river” to the rcc." (note that you put “rcc” in lowercase)

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I was making the point that if many Catholics weren’t attacked so unfairly first - they wouldn’d respond so harshly to their persecutors.

**YOU **have proven my point, my friend.

SO protestants usually start the fights?

 

[Reformed]

SO protestants usually start the fights?

If you really remove the sin in all of us when we share with each other, I think we are all trying to share the truth in love. The real questions:

1 " who has the truth"

1. which truth is essential that the other needs to embrace and receive.

John 18:38
Pilate said to him, “What is truth?”

John 14:6
Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

http://www.srichinmoybooks.com/meditation_and_spirituality/god_is/cross_sunset1.jpg

 

[elvisman]

SO protestants usually start the fights?

That’s not what I said.
What I am saying is that you can’t expect somebody to be a doormat when somebody attacks their faith.

Inquiring about one’s faith or even challenging somebody to rethink their case is one thing. Assaulting them is quite another.
This happens on all sides but don’t tell me that Catholics aren’t “presenting their case in a tactful and respectful manner”. For the most part, the ones that do come out of the gate screaming and yelling have been provoked.

Read REFORMED’s last post #145.

 

[reteeks21]

That’s not what I said.
What I am saying is that you can’t expect somebody to be a doormat when somebody attacks their faith.

Inquiring about one’s faith or even challenging somebody to rethink their case is one thing. Assulting them is quite another.
**This happens on all **sides but don’t tell me that Catholics aren’t "presenting their case in a tactful and respectful manner". For the most part, the ones that do come out of the gate screaming and yelling have been provoked.

Read REFORMED’s last post #145.

If you want me to start reading how about going back and reading some of the threads started for the express purpose of degrading protestants. Go and check out some of the folks here whose first responses tend to be “protestants are heretics” and the like. You want to read some of the emails I have recieved that have done nothing but attack me? If you want proestants to calm down how about blocking them from this sight? I doubt you do because then it wouldn’t be anything but catholics saying what they think without the chance for rebuttals,

Someone questioning you is one thing, challenging to you to rethink things is another. If it hurts you feelings that some attack you, make a case to get them kicked off. If you do that, however, get the catholics who attack first tossed off as well.

 

[elvisman]

If you want me to start reading how about going back and reading some of the threads started for the express purpose of degrading protestants. Go and check out some of the folks here whose first responses tend to be “protestants are heretics” and the like. You want to read some of the emails I have recieved that have done nothing but attack me? If you want proestants to calm down how about blocking them from this sight? I doubt you do because then it wouldn’t be anything but catholics saying what they think without the chance for rebuttals,

Someone questioning you is one thing, challenging to you to rethink things is another. If it hurts you feelings that some attack you, make a case to get them kicked off. If you do that, however, get the catholics who attack first tossed off as well.

For the last time - I didn’t say this was an exclusively Protestant problem. I clearly said that this happens on ALL sides. There are people who represent themselves as Catholic on this forum who are uncharitable as well.

It appears that you, my friend, have a chip on your shoulder.

 

[reteeks21]

**For the last time - I didn’t **say this was an exclusively Protestant problem. I clearly said that this happens on ALL sides. There are people who represent themselves as Catholic on this forum who are uncharitable as well.

It appears that you, my friend, have a chip on your shoulder.

I carry no chip; I have better things to do. So, what should be done about the uncharitable people? I love to carry on discussions where people are challenged to stand up for their faith, and I love it even more if they are challenged to the point that they change their minds on things. Reformed mentioned how the truth should guide us, but that doesn’t always work. So, again, how are the uncharitable to be handled?

 

[elvisman]

I carry no chip; I have better things to do. So, what should be done about the uncharitable people? I love to carry on discussions where people are challenged to stand up for their faith, and I love it even more if they are challenged to the point that they change their minds on things. Reformed mentioned how the truth should guide us, but that doesn’t always work. So, again, how are the uncharitable to be handled?

On this forum, they should be handled the same way with the same penalties. ** From what I’ve seen on this board that is usually the case.**

Unfortunately, on carm.org, if you defend Catholicism, you’re banned. Matt Slick is a notorious and virulent anti-Catholic.

 

[reteeks21]

On this forum, they should be handled the same way with the same penalties. ** From what I’ve seen on this board that is usually** the case.

Unfortunately, on carm.org, if you defend Catholicism, you’re banned. Matt Slick is a notorious and virulent anti-Catholic.

Well, Matt Slick obviously has issues he has to work out between him and God. I am going to check out that site. By the way, I am sorry if I came across too strong. Sometimes typing things out comes across different as opposed to saying things in person. I meant no offense, and I have no chip on my shoulder.

 

[elvisman]

Well, Matt Slick obviously has issues he has to work out between him and God. I am going to check out that site. By the way, I am sorry if I came across too strong. Sometimes typing things out comes across different as opposed to saying things in person. I meant no offense, and I have no chip on my shoulder.

It happens to the best of us. I come on too strong at times, then I feel ashamed when I realize that after so many minutes I can’t remove the post! I guess I shouldn’t have accused you of having a chip on your shoulder.

**By the way - I was using the word “friend” in a sincere manner. God bless! **

 

[reteeks21]

It happens to the best of us. I come on too strong at times, then I feel ashamed when I realize that after so many minutes I can’t remove the post! I guess I shouldn’t have accused you of having a chip on your shoulder.

By the way - I was using the word “friend” in a sincere manner. God bless!

Well, now don’t I feel like a horse’s tail

 

[Valke2]

How long will it take for non-Catholics to finally accept Catholicism?

I think it will take less than 5 years for the majority of non-Catholics to accept Catholicism.

accept it as what?

 

[valiermn]

Well, I am a non-Catholic who is an ex-cradle Catholic who never will accept Catholicism again because I truly know what it is.

There are more and more of us everday. Half of three Lutheran churches in my townare full of former Catholics. I have not asked the other four Lutheran churches in town.

 

[Swan]

accept it as what?

 

[distracted]

. A Rambo Jesus is not attractive, & people will not become Catholic if Catholicism is not attractive: especially if they left it.

Who cares… Its like the saying goes… You can attract more flies with honey thn with vinegar…

***But who wants flies??? ***

the way to eternal life is narrow and there are few who find it… (St. Matthew)

Jesus said that not many will be “strong enough to get into Heaven.”

Sounds like a fistfight is in order to me…

Maybe the reason not many find that “narrow way” is because they want that sugar-coated way… everything all nice and comfy… No cross… no inconveniences… no giving up everything to follow Jesus (St. Mark 10:17)…

as St. Faustina describes in her Diary #741… or maybe it is… somewhere else in her Diary (741 is about Hell, what it is like… but anyway… she says…basically that) Everyone is enjoying themselves to the very end… the end life as they lived it… enjoying ikt… and then they drop into the abyss of Hell…

 

[sola_scriptura]

Who cares… Its like the saying goes… You can attract more flies with honey thn with vinegar…

***But who wants flies??? ***

the way to eternal life is narrow and there are few who find it… (St. Matthew)

Jesus said that not many will be “strong enough to get into Heaven.”

where exactly did Jesus use the words “strong enough to get into heaven”?

Sounds like a fistfight is in order to me…

So you think fist fighting will get you to heaven

Maybe the reason not many find that “narrow way” is because they want that sugar-coated way… everything all nice and comfy… No cross… no inconveniences… no giving up everything to follow Jesus (St. Mark 10:17)…

Now you’re making sense.

as St. Faustina describes in her Diary #741… or maybe it is… somewhere else in her Diary (741 is about Hell, what it is like… but anyway… she says…basically that) Everyone is enjoying themselves to the very end… the end life as they lived it… enjoying ikt… and then they drop into the abyss of Hell…

There’s a saint who wrote a story about what hell is like? Wow – first I’ve heard of this; how could anyone purport to know such a thing?

 

[Believe_85]

The saint was St. Faustina Kawalska, from:
vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/documents/ns_lit_doc_20000430_faustina_en.html

“The years she had spent at the convent were filled with extraordinary gifts, such as: revelations, visions, hidden stigmata, participation in the Passion of the Lord, the gift of bilocation, the reading of human souls, the gift of prophecy, or the rare gift of mystical engagement and marriage. The living relationship with God, the Blessed Mother, the Angels, the Saints, the souls in Purgatory — with the entire supernatural world — was as equally real for her as was the world she perceived with her senses. In spite of being so richly endowed with extraordinary graces, Sr. Mary Faustina knew that they do not in fact constitute sanctity. In her Diary she wrote: Neither graces, nor revelations, nor raptures, nor gifts granted to a soul make it perfect, but rather the intimate union of the soul with God. These gifts are merely ornaments of the soul, but constitute neither its essence nor its perfection. My sanctity and perfection consist in the close union of my will with the will of God (Diary 1107).”