How many Catholics do you know who are TOTALLY (orthodox) Roman Catholic?

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To me, the only TOTALLY 100% orthodox Catholic is one who never sins. So I guess there aren’t too many of us, because if one sins, one is doing something against Church teaching.

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not true… if you sin a lot but know that you are sinning…don’t try to call it something less than that, that is one thing… If you maintain, during your sinning, that everything the RCC teaches is true… THAT is what makes you a Catholic… (and if you vote accordingly)…
 
Being a believing, 100% orthodox Catholic, doesn’t mean you don’t sin, everyone sins.

It means you accept the authority of Jesus Christ, the authority He gave to St. Peter when He said;

“He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?” 16 **Simon Peter replied, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” 17 And Jesus answered him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jona! For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my Father who is in heaven. 18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” 20 Then he strictly charged the disciples to tell no one that he was the Christ.” (Mt 16: 15-20) **

You do not have to understand and agree with everything Jesus taught us through His Catholic Church. We will never have a complete understanding until we are fully accepted into the Beatific Vision in Heaven by God. We must only have Faith, we must open our heart to Jesus and He will do the rest!

Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, Ora Pro Nobis Peccatoribus!

mark
i agree…

but i believe in everything because, for one.,. the Church was the One Christ instituted on Earth… That is all we need to know to accept everything the Church teaches…

and i don;'t find it difficult to do so… If a person loves Jesus and His absolute Truth… it is not hard to be faithful to Him…

well, yes it is… but … hmmm…
 
Good question, and many good responses. I probably know a few, mostly older Catholics, as one other poster mentioned, who are 100%. I know a few others who THINK they are, but aren’t. But the vast majority, no. And there are several reasons for this.

First, many are not aware of what they are supposed to know or believe. I don’t mean the basic stuff, like attending Mass every Sunday and Holy Day and receiving the Eucharist, but the other stuff. I found a list of Catholic doctrines online, and I would bet that most Catholics, if asked to read the list, would respond to some of them: “I didn’t know that.”

Second, a majority do not abide by some of the rules or teachings of the Church, such as on the forms of birth control. But this is not a modern phenomenon, as we can see from the past centuries when the Church had to warn people about certain ideas, books, movies, etc. Or think about the directives about the Syllabus of Errors or Modernist thinking. The Church has had to work very hard over the years to keep or get people back on the right path. Not always with great success.

Third, as we can see from the various discussions on these forums, there is disagreement over what is an “orthodox” Catholic. Some say it is being in 100% communion with Rome and the Pope in their beliefs and actions. Others say that current Church leaders and doctrines are headed in the wrong direction, and want to follow the “ways” of an earlier time, prior to Vatican II. And there are others, probably the majority, who don’t really care who knows best on those issues, and just try to be the best Catholic they can, given the circumstances of their lives.

I find it interesting, and somewhat humorous, that so many of those who post here indicate their allegiance to a particular Pope, usually the current Benedict, JP II, or Pius X (or is it Pius XII, I get mixed up on that). That in itself tells you quite a lot about where they fit in the spectrum of Catholicism. Thankfully, I haven’t noticed anyone favoring a Pope like Alexander VI, or his uncle, Calixtus III.
 
Good question, and many good responses. I probably know a few, mostly older Catholics, as one other poster mentioned, who are 100%. I know a few others who THINK they are, but aren’t. But the vast majority, no. And there are several reasons for this.

First, many are not aware of what they are supposed to know or believe. I don’t mean the basic stuff, like attending Mass every Sunday and Holy Day and receiving the Eucharist, but the other stuff. I found a list of Catholic doctrines online, and I would bet that most Catholics, if asked to read the list, would respond to some of them: “I didn’t know that.”

Second, a majority do not abide by some of the rules or teachings of the Church, such as on the forms of birth control. But this is not a modern phenomenon, as we can see from the past centuries when the Church had to warn people about certain ideas, books, movies, etc. Or think about the directives about the Syllabus of Errors or Modernist thinking. The Church has had to work very hard over the years to keep or get people back on the right path. Not always with great success.
Third, as we can see from the various discussions on these forums, there is disagreement over what is an “orthodox” Catholic. Some say it is being in 100% communion with Rome and the Pope in their beliefs and actions. Others say that current Church leaders and doctrines are headed in the wrong direction, and want to follow the “ways” of an earlier time, prior to Vatican II. And there are others, probably the majority, who don’t really care who knows best on those issues, and just try to be the best Catholic they can, given the circumstances of their lives.

I find it interesting, and somewhat humorous, that so many of those who post here indicate their allegiance to a particular Pope, usually the current Benedict, JP II, or Pius X (or is it Pius XII, I get mixed up on that). That in itself tells you quite a lot about where they fit in the spectrum of Catholicism. Thankfully, I haven’t noticed anyone favoring a Pope like Alexander VI, or his uncle, Calixtus III.
The portion I bolded is a good point. John XXIII commented at the start of Vatican II on the tendency of people to think that the current generation must be the worst one ever:
In the daily exercise of our pastoral office, we sometimes have to listen, much to our regret, to voices of persons who, though burning with zeal, are not endowed with too much sense of discretion or measure. In these modern times they can see nothing but prevarication and ruin. They say that our era, in comparison with past eras, is getting worse, and they behave as though they had learned nothing from history, which is, none the less, the teacher of life. They behave as though at the time of former Councils everything was a full triumph for the Christian idea and life and for proper religious liberty.
We feel we must disagree with those prophets of gloom, who are always forecasting disaster, as though the end of the world were at hand.
In the present order of things, Divine Providence is leading us to a new order of human relations which, by men’s own efforts and even beyond their very expectations, are directed toward the fulfilment of God’s superior and inscrutable designs. And everything, even human differences, leads to the greater good of the Church
As Pope John XIII noted, people that think that today is the worst time ever “behave as though they had learned nothing from history.”
 
As Pope John XIII noted, people that think that today is the worst time ever “behave as though they had learned nothing from history.”
That was a wonderful quote from MY favorite Pope. Can you tell us what writing that long passage is from?

Thanks.
 
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Myself, I don’t know that many people,* personally *(hermit syndrome) but from what I’m reading here @ CAF, and elsewhere, I’d say there is only about 30% real Catholics in the world, those who believe ALL that the Church teaches, who believe and obey even when they don’t u/stand something perfectly.

I’ve heard that only 30% of Catholics believe the RCC teaching on birth control (artif). i just wish i knew who did that “study” because that result would depend on which “Catholics” were asked. Daily Mass attendees would answer differently than, say, Nancy Pelosi… :rolleyes:
Do you mean:
a) people that I am 100% sure could not possibly miss a single question on a “Prove Your Faith” multiple-choice exam
b) people whose public observance is above criticism by anybody on this forum (which would exclude the Holy Father, which I find both unfortunate and ironic), or
c) people that I ardently hope I get to spend eternity with?

I know a lot of people in (c) group, for which I am thankful.

The (a) and (b) groups, quite frankly, really aren’t my business. On a good day, I keep my nose out of that. On a bad day…well, I shouldn’t go there, even on a bad day, even though I do. 😊
 
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Myself, I don’t know that many people,* personally *(hermit syndrome) but from what I’m reading here @ CAF, and elsewhere, I’d say there is only about 30% real Catholics in the world, those who believe ALL that the Church teaches, who believe and obey even when they don’t u/stand something perfectly.

I’ve heard that only 30% of Catholics believe the RCC teaching on birth control (artif). i just wish i knew who did that “study” because that result would depend on which “Catholics” were asked. Daily Mass attendees would answer differently than, say, Nancy Pelosi… :rolleyes:
I know only one personally.

– Nicole
 
🙂 In North Carolina, but even when I lived on the left coast (California) I could say the same.
there are a lot of Catholics in CA…

of course, most (as per everywhere else) are not real Catholics…

real ones don’t vote for pro-abortion polititcians…
 
I know quite a few. Most of the people I pray the Latin Mass with are very orthodox and traditional in their beliefs. There is one family in particular who has 8 children, all homeschooled from kindergarten through high school. Two of them are now pursuing vocations; the oldest son is in his second year in seminary and one of the daughters has just entered the postulancy with the Nashville Dominicans a little over a week ago. Two of the younger daughters plays organ for Church and a few others sing for the Schola. In addition to this family, there are several others who do their best to live their lives in accordance to the precepts of the Church. I am very blessed to know all of them.
hmmm… some parts of the country have a far greater % of Catholics than others…

i don’t live in one of those… 😦

but maybe that’s because God thinks i am supposed to convert them all… 😃

ha ha…

they don’t want to be converted… :rolleyes:

no… not so… They don’t THINK they want to be converted… I need to remember that… always…

since i’m human, i don’t… 😦
 
I think I know several (though who can say for sure?). But they’re all older people. I think that’s significant because it’s easier for an old person to abide by the Church’s difficult teachings (especially those dealing with sexual morality). Your sex drive has weakened, you or your wife is past child-bearing age, or you’re a widow/widower. You just don’t have as much occasion to sin.
i don’t know about this.

I’m not “ancient” but the older i get andthe more i abstain from any kind of sexual gratification…

the more my body screams for sex… been celibate & (mostly?) chaste for many years (my mind… well, that’s another story):(.

i don’t feel this kind of desire all the time, ofcourse,… and i just ignore it when i do… get distracted with something else… (like Annoying people… :D)

but in any case, i see no signs of it diminishing…

i think older people are more reliigons because they know they are going to die soon…
also, they have acquired more wisdom and realize more than others the futility of (vanity of ) life of Earth…
 
Do you mean:
a) people that I am 100% sure could not possibly miss a single question on a “Prove Your Faith” multiple-choice exam
b) people whose public observance is above criticism by anybody on this forum (which would exclude the Holy Father, which I find both unfortunate and ironic), or
c) people that I ardently hope I get to spend eternity with?

I know a lot of people in (c) group, for which I am thankful.

The (a) and (b) groups, quite frankly, really aren’t my business. On a good day, I keep my nose out of that. On a bad day…well, I shouldn’t go there, even on a bad day, even though I do. 😊
simply put, it is people who believe what the RCC teaches and live by it or try to… and don’t make excuses, rationalize, etc… and don’t vote for politicians who go against basic teachings of the Church (teachings even morons, so called, know about)
 
For certain I only know 3…ME, MYSELF, and I,…

I do know plenty of good ctholics who do accept…“the church’s teaching on birth control”

I am more concerned with finding the true catholics who accept something a bit mpore important like…oh I dont know…transubstantiation…or perhaps…the ACTUAL teaching on Salvation.
 
Seeing that being a Catholic does not mean that one is a Roman Catholic (that is a member of the Latin Catholic Church) that means that orthodoxy does not reside alone in the Latin Catholic Church.

This question is flawed. A Byzantine Catholic (that is a Catholic who is a member of one of the many Catholic Churches that are of the Byzantine Rite) can be orthodox while not being a Latin (or Roman) Catholic.

The Latin Catholic Church is in no way superior to any of the other 22 Churches that make up the universal Catholic Church.

Also even within the Latin Catholic Church there are many issues that are not a matter of dogma that faithful Catholics may hold differing opinions on, but as evidence from this forum, many people judge others to be less “orthodox” when they hold to views on these matters that are different from the ones they hold.
 
I used to know three people who were totally orthodox Roman Catholics, but they all converted to Bakuraism.
 
For certain I only know 3…ME, MYSELF, and I,…

I do know plenty of good ctholics who do accept…“the church’s teaching on birth control”

I am more concerned with finding the true catholics who accept something a bit mpore important like…oh I dont know…transubstantiation…or perhaps…the ACTUAL teaching on Salvation.
even the ones who believe in Transubstatiation don’t ACT like it, in my opinion. They never spend time with Jesus there…

a lot of priests don’t even have Exposition anymore…

The pagans & the Health Wealt & Prosperity “Christians” are winning against the Church, it seems…

or at least in some areas of the country…

but then i recall a scirpture psg about how in the last days the love of many will grow cold, due to iniquity (otherwise known as too much TV) :rolleyes:
 
I used to know three people who were totally orthodox Roman Catholics, but they all converted to Bakuraism.
what the h-- is that??

i’ll bet they werent catechized CAhtolics… Those who know about Transubstantiation… doesn’t seem like they would leave the Church…

but then there’s Fr Greely… :rolleyes:
 
even the ones who believe in Transubstatiation don’t ACT like it, in my opinion. They never spend time with Jesus there…

a lot of priests don’t even have Exposition anymore…
This right here is what I am talking about.

You are making your opinions of devotions that are private and extra your criteria of what is “orthodox”.

That is just wrong.
 
In my experience, (I know, a young person beginning a statement with the phrase, “in my experience”… don’t let panic set in, fear not, I have valid point) there are truly orthodox Catholics. While these may be few and far between, they do tend to congregate and collect in certain areas. Hillsdale Mi. is one of those places. The Catholic population of my Alma mater (which ironically was founded by Free Will Baptists) is about 40% and of them about 80% are very orthodox Catholics and the number is growing every year. We have the problem there of going over the top in terms of doctrinal interpretation and orthodoxy. The Latin Mass community there has made statements against the Novus Ordo Mass. But fortunately they are in the minority. The key to being an Orthodox Catholic is to realize that the Pontiff and the Magisterium are empowered by the Holy Spirit to guide the Church through time of trouble and times of tranquility. The good Catholic needs to submit to the teachings of the Magisterium and the Pontiff because Christ left them as our teachers and the protectors of the faith. Complete obedience to the official doctrinal and dogmatic teachings of the Church defines the truly and completely orthodox Catholic.:highprayer: Disagreements can be made on issues of lesser importance. Not to say that any issues dealing with faith and morals are not important, but some issues can be compromised on or can be ignored even disobeyed. But not the official doctrinal and dogmatic teaching of the Magisterium or the Roman Pontiff. The death penalty, war, welfare, health care, and even some forms of prayer can be ignored. But issues of grave morality or the interpretation of the faith can not be disobeyed. :bible1:
 
Am I the only one who’s troubled by the whole premise of this question? By the standards of some on this board, *John Paul II *wouldn’t have qualified as “Totally (orthodox) Roman Catholic” because of the Assisi / Koran incident. The judgmentalism on this thread is amazing. And all these posters know the hearts of their “fellow Catholics” just how???
 
Am I the only one who’s troubled by the whole premise of this question? By the standards of some on this board, *John Paul II *wouldn’t have qualified as “Totally (orthodox) Roman Catholic” because of the Assisi / Koran incident. The judgmentalism on this thread is amazing. And all these posters know the hearts of their “fellow Catholics” just how???
No, your not the “only one”. If you read my posts that fall just before this one, you would see that.
 
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