How many Christians on this forum read the Quraan?

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This is not entirely true,
Kaafir means rejecter
, thus a christian rejects Mohammed, not Allah, according to our understanding as revealed in the Bible.
It is on this basis that we must reject Mohammed, because his teachings contradict the teachings of Christ.
Christians therefore are not kaafir, but people of the book, a special term reserved for Jews and Christians.
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People of the book are kafirs. They reject what Allah has revealed. There are many many verses (which you should be familiar with) that use the word “yakfooroona” or “kafaro” coming from the word kufr when discussing Christian beliefs.

Again, its a descriptive term.

He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

Surely** they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah ** they shall have a severe chastisement; and Allah is Mighty, the Lord of retribution. (3:3-4)

Ye people of the book! Why do ye clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth, while ye have knowledge? (Chapter #3, Verse #71)

Say: "O people of the book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper), trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by,- who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even way. (Chapter #5, Verse #77)

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About respect: All life is sacred and entitled to respect from conception that begins the life process. During the course of one’s life their free willed choices of behavior hopefully will not be against God but thats not possible. Life starts out with respect - that is why I start out with it and from that point on it may suffer losses. Sharing life with others requires GIVING respect for their living in God’s love - it may be given and it may be taken away according to my imperfect free willed choice affected by my human experience with others. If another feels I MUST respect them, they have another think coming.
I’ll stick by my statement.

About dirty hands handling a book: Maybe one who owns a book would like to preserve it and would ask that one to whom it is given to read would “respect” that request. Here we have a request and a giving of respect to protect the book. So far no reason to take away from the respect. Now, if one should DEMAND another to “respect” the book above the love of the toucher and inflict selfish prideful behaviors towards others - then the book owner has to suffer loss of respect for himself and his book!

I don’t think the believers of the Quran/Koran know if they have a “good book” or a “bad book” cause they don’t know what is being “translated”. So far, no one has been able to claim what version is worth preserving.

I wonder if way back when some people out in the boondocks
heard about Christianity and decided to come up with their own version, their own superhero who was greater than the one they heard about, then took some parts from what they heard and
somebody wrote a book…hmmmmm. smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/7/7_1_113.gif
 
About dirty hands handling a book: Maybe one who owns a book would like to preserve it and would ask that one to whom it is given to read would “respect” that request. Here we have a request and a giving of respect to protect the book. So far no reason to take away from the respect. Now, if one should DEMAND another to “respect” the book above the love of the toucher and inflict selfish prideful behaviors towards others - then the book owner has to suffer loss of respect for himself and his book!
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that doesnt make any sense to me. “selfish prideful behaviours” who are you referring to?
I don’t think the believers of the Quran/Koran know if they have a “good book” or a “bad book” cause they don’t know what is being “translated”. So far, no one has been able to claim what version is worth preserving.
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There is only one Quran. There is only one version of it. The Quran that was revealed in arabic is the Quran. We still have it the same we it was revealed. I dont understand where you are getting these ideas from

The translations are not versions of the Quran…they are, as their cover states “translation of the meanings”
I wonder if way back when some people out in the boondocks
heard about Christianity and decided to come up with their own version, their own superhero who was greater than the one they heard about, then took some parts from what they heard and
somebody wrote a book…hmmmmm.
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Please support your claims.
 
I have read teh Orthodox Bible and KJB , i mean parts of them but i didnt get the chance to read a Catholic one.
 
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hawk:
This is not entirely true,
Kaafir means rejecter
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Christians therefore are not kaafir…

Hindus/Buddhists too, are not kaafir…
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it’s amazing just how ignorant you continue to make yourself look by speaking about things you have no knowledge of. you do not speak or even understand the arabic language or the sharee’ah of islam, and thus have no right to speak about it.

the word kaafir كافر comes from the verb kafara كفر , which means “to hide” or “to cover”. it is said that one disbelieves يكفر because he covers the truth with falsehood. so the kaafir is a disbeliever of the truth.

in the islamic sharee’ah, it refers to whoever is not muslim. thus, as much as hawk hates it, the people of the Book are kuffaar (plural of kaafir), as are the hindus, the buddhists and anyone else who is not a muslim or who claims to be a muslim but has beliefs that clearly expell them from the fold of islam (i.e., the ahmadis/qadiyanis, the ismailis and the nation of islam, among others). they do not accept muhammad as the last and final messenger sent by Allah, nor do they accept the Quran as Allah’s final revelation, this effectively makes them kuffaar in this wordly life.

as for donna p’s question, i used to read the bible while growing up as a christian. i’m not sure if i’ve read the “catholic” bible, but i do know that i’ve read various versions of the bible in part.
 
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Faith101:
People of the book are kafirs. They reject what Allah has revealed. There are many many verses (which you should be familiar with) that use the word “yakfooroona” or “kafaro” coming from the word kufr when discussing Christian beliefs.

Again, its a descriptive term.

He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel.

Surely** they who disbelieve in the communications of Allah ** they shall have a severe chastisement; and Allah is Mighty, the Lord of retribution. (3:3-4)

Ye people of the book! Why do ye clothe Truth with falsehood, and conceal the Truth, while ye have knowledge? (Chapter #3, Verse #71)

Say: "O people of the book! exceed not in your religion the bounds (of what is proper), trespassing beyond the truth, nor follow the vain desires of people who went wrong in times gone by,- who misled many, and strayed (themselves) from the even way. (Chapter #5, Verse #77)

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Ofcourse Christians and jews are kaafir as defined by the religion of islam.

But that is not my point at all!!!

The true kaafir, is one who rejects Allah. :eek:

And no one knows what is in the heart of anyone, so I would be loathe to call anyone kaafir, or infidel even if they are not catholics.

I see muslims that lead good true lives, as following the laws of God, even if he does not worship as I do!
 
No. I’m still trying to read and understand the Holy Scriptures.
 
Could anyone recommend a website where I might be able to learn Arabic for free? I can’t afford to enroll at a formal language school right now.

And is the same Arabic spoken in Egypt as it is in Morocco? Or does Egypt and Morocco have their own languages, in addition to Arabic. I’d love to travel around the Arab world someday. Thanks.
 
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jcaz:
Cleopa,

You may also be interested in reading “The True Message of Jesus Christ”, as it is an informative book on the message of Jesus, peace be upon him, from an Islamic perspective. A have a ebook copy (Microsoft Word file) that I downloaded from some site years ago. If you wish, send me a message with your email, and I’ll forward it to you.

With regards to the question, I have read the Bible, specifically the Catholic bible. My confirmation gift was a leather bound, “St. Joseph’s Edition.” I therefore believe it was the NRSV. I have probably only read the OT twice, at best, but the NT several times. Mind you, this means nothing, as I am far from a scholar on the new testament!

The system seems to have screwed up as it shows this as part of the quote. It is not. I am “Desert Father” and I am a scholar.The “ingile” of Jesus, the Islamic teachings of Jesus in the Quuran are derived from Nestorian sources. Muhamad spent far too mutch of his youth hanging around their monestaries. The Nestorians had a very hetrodox, if not just plain wierd rendition of the Gospel, were excommunicated early on for herricy and their writings disguarded. That is what Muhamad picked up on and an Islamic perspective is of no value because this, not the Bible or the Gospel is what they comment on. As to the true scriptures, they say we got the mutilated copy. Don’t fall for it. The history is conclusive. End reply.

Regards
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I’ve read bits of it and indeed have assigned selections from it to be used in my Western Civ course. I haven’t read the whole thing. I want to learn Arabic so I can read it in its authoritative form, but that will have to wait a while.

Edwin
 
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dr0ws:
Peace,
How many Christians here read the Quran not read about the Quran? I am so curious to know. Please be honest.
in peace,
dr0ws
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Its been a very long time ago but I have read some of it. Im not even sure where I put the Quran its been that long ago.

StMarkEofE
 
The option of “I have read all of it at least once” wasn’t included.
 
No I haven’t and will never! I consider it a sin to read (text deleted)
 
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