How many deny Jesus Christ in the Eucharist?

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larkin31 said:
Humans have erred under God’s inspiration from the very first couple.
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God did not inspired them to err. They erred on their own.
I am not claiming that the inspiration CAUSED the error, but rather that the error happens DESPITE the inspiration. It ALWAYS has. cf Moses. cf Peter. cf Noah. cf Saul/Paul. cf other disciples and Biblical figures. The Bible gives no evidence of a world or church or person free from error, and makes no claim that any institution will be free from error.
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In the case of Moses there was no promise for leading into all truth by the Holy Spirit (hence why he allowed divorce).

In the case of Paul and Peter, no error. As I keep reiterating, the promise of guidance into truth applies only to faith and doctrine. When something becomes binding on the Church, there is no error (hence the Church has never allowed divorce, since Jesus expressly forbade it).

Take for example the council of Jerusalem. There was a lot of confusion over circumcision. But once ruling has been made, that is the end of speculation.

If they err in other things not relating to doctrine, then that does not count because the guarantee is not for that.
 
PRmerger said:
Yes, larkin is still trying to find his way, as he admits in the post below from another thread. He also admits he contradicts himself frequently. While this admission may be honest, it makes an intelligent discourse quite difficult. One cannot know exactly what it is he believes. We are arguing against a quixotic windmill. Against shadows and clouds which change at every minute.

It also shows that he really does not know, quite yet, exactly what it is he believes.

Hence the protestant/agnostic schizophrenia.

(Bold mine; original post here)
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*Larkin hey! You don’t know what you don’t know!

Blessings
Cinette:):*
 
Cinette said:
*Larkin hey! You don’t know what you don’t know!

Blessings
Cinette:):*
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All the light shining on me personally is warming, but can we get back to the topic? The topic is interesting. Talk about me is not.
 
Larkin, and may be this is for Shawn, too…one of the beautiful things about God…and the many testamonies of faith is how imperfect we human beings are…St. Paul said when we are weak, God is strong…that we truly come to our true selves, better than ever, when we renounce ourselves and let the working of God enter our souls…

When we grow in the Lord, it may seem like a contradiction, the more we become who we are meant to be.

And we are more beautiful, more human and inspiring…true sanctity tends to hide its virtues, but the virtuous are always more inclined to express their faults and weaknesses to others.

So if the patriarchs erred, St. Peter and the apostles erred in understanding Jesus, saints have erred in their lives, some of them have been murderers, alcoholics, haters…but their lives were totally transformed…

What we see as very bad in ourselves, God who looks at things in a big way, see it as an opportunity to only draw closer to us, to help us, and to find meaning and purpose in life.

So about errancy of human beings…when I look more and more and how corrupt this world is, so many bad people…well, now…just how much more effective and far reaching one good person can be and do if they are living off the presence of Christ…

And how much more, when they are living and being nourished off the Body and Blood of Jesus.

I know how He helps me…so many times I will get mad, and then want to get mad, and I experience Holy Communion just dissipating my anger so I can’t be…

God, through the history of testimony of faith, has His very intention !!! to work through our errancy!!
 
KathleenGee said:
Larkin, and may be this is for Shawn, too…one of the beautiful things about God…and the many testamonies of faith is how imperfect we human beings are…St. Paul said when we are weak, God is strong…that we truly come to our true selves, better than ever, when we renounce ourselves and let the working of God enter our souls…

When we grow in the Lord, it may seem like a contradiction, the more we become who we are meant to be.

And we are more beautiful, more human and inspiring…true sanctity tends to hide its virtues, but the virtuous are always more inclined to express their faults and weaknesses to others.

So if the patriarchs erred, St. Peter and the apostles erred in understanding Jesus, saints have erred in their lives, some of them have been murderers, alcoholics, haters…but their lives were totally transformed…

What we see as very bad in ourselves, God who looks at things in a big way, see it as an opportunity to only draw closer to us, to help us, and to find meaning and purpose in life.

So about errancy of human beings…when I look more and more and how corrupt this world is, so many bad people…well, now…just how much more effective and far reaching one good person can be and do if they are living off the presence of Christ…

And how much more, when they are living and being nourished off the Body and Blood of Jesus.

I know how He helps me…so many times I will get mad, and then want to get mad, and I experience Holy Communion just dissipating my anger so I can’t be…

God, through the history of testimony of faith, has His very intention !!! to work through our errancy!!
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I have no quibble with anything you have written here. Those who do good, whether for a God or not, are the benefactors of our race and stewards of the planet.
 
larkin31 said:
KathleenGee, the topic I have been commenting on is the claim that the Church is inerrant. Since neither Jesus nor the Gospels states this, I am simply asking what is the reasoning that leads you to this conclusion. All you keep saying, in essence, is that you believe it because it is taught you by the church.
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As a catholic, they have to believe in the totality of the church teaching or else they are not in communion with the catholic church. You’re expected to accepted their teaching for it’s the church that Christ built and for 1500 years it could not be wrong.:rolleyes:
 
rinnie said:
Um Jesus was a Rebel and not a peacemaker? Pleassssssssse. Blessed are the peacemakers for those are the kingdom of God.
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34“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— 36a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’e
 
shawn38 said:
What does the scripture say?
1 Jn 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God.

Also, apply the test of Scripture just as the Bereans did.
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benedictus2 said:
Test it against what?
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Shawn, still waiting for your response to this!

When 2 Christians “apply the test of Scripture just as the Bereans did” and come to 2 completely different understandings of Scripture, what’s the solution in your systemology?
 
larkin31 said:
All the light shining on me personally is warming, but can we get back to the topic? The topic is interesting. Talk about me is not.
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Oh, dear Larkin, we are perfectly capable to talk about *both *things–you and this topic! 😛
 
shawn38 said:
As a catholic, they have to believe in the totality of the church teaching or else they are not in communion with the catholic church. You’re expected to accepted their teaching for it’s the church that Christ built and for 1500 years it could not be wrong.:rolleyes:
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U-huh…and for the last 500 years thousands upon thousands of different churches finally got it right? :rolleyes:
 
shawn38 said:
34“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35For I have come to turn “‘a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law— 36a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’e
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And you think that this scripture means that Jesus is a Rebel? :rotfl: Oh Shwn you do make me laugh, Never a dull moment on this site thats for sure:D

Hey Guys have a wonderful Weekend!
 
rinnie said:
And you think that this scripture means that Jesus is a Rebel? :rotfl: Oh Shwn you do make me laugh, Never a dull moment on this site thats for sure:D

Hey Guys have a wonderful Weekend!
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Was he executed for following the rules and simply being nice?
 
shawn38 said:
As a catholic, they have to believe in the totality of the church teaching or else they are not in communion with the catholic church. You’re expected to accepted their teaching for it’s the church that Christ built and for 1500 years it could not be wrong.:rolleyes:
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:extrahappy::yup: :tiphat: Shawn you did it buddy! You got something right:thumbsup:
 
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U-huh…and for the last 500 years thousands upon thousands of different churches finally got it right?
Not necessarily
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Which begs the question: What non-Catholic church,which are so many it is not even funny,truly has the full deposit of faith?

So many different churches makes me dizzy…:hypno:
 
larkin31 said:
Was he executed for following the rules and simply being nice?
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No he was executed for our sins. Someone had to die for our sins. Someone who was without sin themself. And beings that there was only one person who could, and would it had to be God himself.

He did it to show us how much he loved us.

One day someone asked Jesus, Jesus how much do you love me? He stretched out his arms on the cross and said this much.

Hey gotta roll, will check back later. gonna shut down the computer. Bad electric storm comming right now.
 
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