How many of you pray the Liturgy of the Hours?

[ac_claire]

I never actually paid attention to the color. Without looking I can’t tell you which color are in which section. In fact, I think the ribbons are in different order in one or two of the books.

Well I’m sure this adds nothing to the discussion, but since you asked: I always seperate the ribbons by color and use 2 at a time. For some reason the green ones always go first and I use them to mark the antiphons in front [this the Shorter Christian Prayer book.] Next comes the red, which mark my place in the four-week Psalter. The yellow ribbons are for the proper of seasons in the back. I have no idea why but I’ve always used them like this.

 

[scaron]

It’s missing the Antiphon.

Yeah, and im not sure it always has the feasts? Been a while since I looked at Universalis.

I dont get why it does not include the antiphons. Its creator obviously did a huge amount of work, putting the psalms, the canticles, and readings in a database (sometimes if the site is a little wonky you get a reference page to the database they used) and programming the whole thing to come up correctly by the calendar - so why leave out the antiphons? seems to me they did all the work to move the ball into the red zone, then stopped before getting a touchdown?!! (sorry, over enthusiastic NY Giants fan here!)

 

[AJV]

Yeah, and im not sure it always has the feasts? Been a while since I looked at Universalis.

I dont get why it does not include the antiphons. Its creator obviously did a huge amount of work, putting the psalms, the canticles, and readings in a database (sometimes if the site is a little wonky you get a reference page to the database they used) and programming the whole thing to come up correctly by the calendar - so why leave out the antiphons? seems to me they did all the work to move the ball into the red zone, then stopped before getting a touchdown?!! (sorry, over enthusiastic NY Giants fan here!)

They do not have a lot of the material because it is copyrighted so they have to come up with their own translations (which they’ve done for the other stuff). Ditto for the intercessions which are not always suited to the day, the responsories, etc.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

This may be a silly question, but to those of you who have the four volume set, what color ribbons do you put in each section? I’ve changed for each volume I have, but I wasn’t sure if there was an ‘official’ order they ought to be in?

It depends on the order the ribbons are on the tab that inserts into the binding. I don’t like to crisscross ribbons, they tend to not stay put.

I’ve had to replace ribbons twice over the years, and they never came with the same order of colors.

Jim

 

[porthos11]

It depends on the order the ribbons are on the tab that inserts into the binding. I don’t like to crisscross ribbons, they tend to not stay put.

I’ve had to replace ribbons twice over the years, and they never came with the same order of colors.

Jim

My ribbons have always been in a certain order in the plastic tab.

Green
Blue
White or Gold
Red
Violet

So I just place them in order accordingly:

Proper of Seasons
Ordinary
Psalter
Night Prayer
Proper of Saints

I cut some thin cards to serve as bookmarks for the seasonal hymns (where applicable), Night Prayer hymns, Sunday Week I Morning Prayer, and the Common.

 

[porthos11]

Yeah, and im not sure it always has the feasts? Been a while since I looked at Universalis.

I dont get why it does not include the antiphons. Its creator obviously did a huge amount of work, putting the psalms, the canticles, and readings in a database (sometimes if the site is a little wonky you get a reference page to the database they used) and programming the whole thing to come up correctly by the calendar - so why leave out the antiphons? seems to me they did all the work to move the ball into the red zone, then stopped before getting a touchdown?!! (sorry, over enthusiastic NY Giants fan here!)

This is why I always say, and say again: Universalis may be based on the Liturgy of the Hours, but is NOT the Liturgy of the Hours. Other than the unapproved translation, the missing antiphons are the major problem. Antiphons are not to be omitted for the Divine Office.

Pray using Universalis if anyone wishes, but make no pretenses about it being the Divine Office. The integrity of Liturgy of the Hours should be guarded as jealously as the integrity of the Mass.

 

[Windmill]

I used to have the four volume set, but I was tired of the bland translations of the psalms and readings. They were uninspiring and seemed to leave out a lot of meat when compared to other translations (and the Latin). Certain “difficult” psalms were left out, and the language was too casual.

My spirituality is more formal and gets more out of emphasizing the magnamity of God’s glory. I have found a gem that has revitalized my love of structured prayer…

The Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary (1850 ed)(Baronius Press)

It has sections for chanting the office, the language is Elizabethan English (Thou, Thy, Thee, -eth, etc…), the layout is English/Latin and black/red, and the binding is heirloom quality. It follows the 1962 cycle and is now allowed back into official public worship as per Summorrum Pontificum, the Pope’s encyclical freeing up the old rite of Mass, the Breviary, and the Roman Ritual.

For those who want to wait for the full Divine Office, Baronius Press should be coming out with that later this year.

 

[Timmay]

This may be a silly question, but to those of you who have the four volume set, what color ribbons do you put in each section? I’ve changed for each volume I have, but I wasn’t sure if there was an ‘official’ order they ought to be in?

Unlike some of the others here, I criss-cross my ribbons. I like them to be in the same places in all four volumes, so I can quickly and easily find where I need to be each day.

Green - Proper of Seasons
Yellow/White - Ordinary
Blue - Psalter
Purple - Night Prayer
Red - Proper of Saints

I also keep one or two holy cards or prayer cards handy, for when I need to reference a particular common or section in the back, on particular feasts and whatnot.

 

[rpp]

Unlike some of the others here, I criss-cross my ribbons. I like them to be in the same places in all four volumes, so I can quickly and easily find where I need to be each day.

Green - Proper of Seasons
Yellow/White - Ordinary
Blue - Psalter
Purple - Night Prayer
Red - Proper of Saints

I also keep one or two holy cards or prayer cards handy, for when I need to reference a particular common or section in the back, on particular feasts and whatnot.

Okay. That is too weird. I do the same thing.

 

[Titus]

I am an MC at my parish’s evening Sunday mass, and we had a problem with the altar servers being noisy before mass, so we started praying Vespers of Sunday II with them. It’s been great! They’ve gotten into it, learned the ways it works (we’ve simplified it a bit for them though, because it’s pretty tricky for a nine year old). That’s my favourite LOTH story, though I love it personally too.

 

[rpp]

I am an MC at my parish’s evening Sunday mass, and we had a problem with the altar servers being noisy before mass, so we started praying Vespers of Sunday II with them. It’s been great! They’ve gotten into it, learned the ways it works (we’ve simplified it a bit for them though, because it’s pretty tricky for a nine year old). That’s my favourite LOTH story, though I love it personally too.

Not to take this off topic, what is an “MC”?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

My ribbons have always been in a certain order in the plastic tab.

Green
Blue
White or Gold
Red
Violet

So I just place them in order accordingly:

Proper of Seasons
Ordinary
Psalter
Night Prayer
Proper of Saints

I cut some thin cards to serve as bookmarks for the seasonal hymns (where applicable), Night Prayer hymns, Sunday Week I Morning Prayer, and the Common.

Twice when I replaced the ribbons, I went to the Catholic Religious book store to buy new ones, I got a different order of ribbons. And I don’t like crisscrossing them.

Also, I like using Blue for the Magnificat, being this is Mary’s color. Well, at least thats what the good sisters told me, back 45 years ago.

Jim

 

[Windmill]

Not to take this off topic, what is an “MC”?

Master of Ceremonies. This is the person who makes sure everything flows well in the Mass. They are like the behind-the-scenes assistant who gives cues to everyone. Most people should know what they’re doing, but an MC is there as a safety net in case someone forgets. They are more critical in elaborate ceremonies, but I don’t really see a need for them to be used on a regular basis. One (lay) MC in our area stands next to the priest at the consecration, turns pages in the missal, etc…just like a deacon would. It confuses roles and makes him look ordained. I have serious issues with over-embellishing one’s role in the Mass.

 

[John_Volz]

I pray the Office Of Readings, Monring Prayer, Evening Prayer and Night Prayer daily with the one volume Christian Prayer. ( I keep Shorter Christian Prayer in my desk at work for Morning Prayer). I’ll search through the Forum for my question about upgrading to the 4 Volume set.

Is it proper, as I learn more prayers in Latin, to use both Latin and English as I pray? In other words, can the Gloria Patri and Pater Noster be said in Latin and the rest in English? I would like to learn the Magnificat and some of the other canticles in Latin, but wasn’t sure if it was proper to go back and forth between Latin and English as I pray the LOH. Eventually I would like to pray the whole thing in Latin, I’ve been inspired by watching “Into Great Silence”

Thanks- time to make dinner and settle in for Lectio Divina.

 

[Evan]

That’s just the minimum. I noticed a large number of the laity has been reading it nowadays. It’s meant primarily for the religious.

From the General Instruction of the Liturgy of the Hours Paragraph 27.

Lay groups gathering for prayer, apostolic work, or any other reason are encouraged to fulfill the Church’s duty, by celebrating part of the liturgy of the hours. The laity must learn above all how in the liturgy they are adoring God the Father in spirit and in truth; they should bear in mind that through public worship and prayer they reach all humanity and can contribute significantly to the salvation of the whole world.

Finally, it is of great advantage for the family, the domestic sanctuary of the Church, not only to pray together to God but also to celebrate some parts of the liturgy of the hours as occasion offers, in order to enter more deeply into the life of the Church.

Definitely not just for the religious, after the changes made due to VII

 

[EmergencyOps]

I don’t. It is one of the Catholic practices that I have not embraced yet

I know a little bit about it, and heard about it on ‘The Journey Home’ radio show (a protestant minister mentioned how he began praying it and fell in love with it…and later, the Church). Prayer is something that I have not excelled at in recent years, but a fire for faith has been recently lit beneath me. I am in RCIA, and my sponsor gave me a leather-bound little Catholic prayer book. It helps greatly, as well as a little 75-cent Daily Prayer book I “bought” from the little pamphlet table.

 

[porthos11]

From the General Instruction of the Liturgy of the Hours Paragraph 27.

Definitely not just for the religious, after the changes made due to VII

The Liturgy of the Hours is the prayer of the ENTIRE Church, not just of the religious and clergy. However, religious and clergy have the mandate to pray it; the laity do not.

 

[Mannyfit75]

From the General Instruction of the Liturgy of the Hours Paragraph 27.

Definitely not just for the religious, after the changes made due to VII

I’m aware of it.

 

[John_Volz]

And while I’m thinking about it, using the one volume Christian Prayer seems to limit the Office Of Readings somewhat, especially in non-biblical readings. Suggestions? I found myself reading Chesterton on St Thomas Aquinas yesterday, but I wasn’t sure if that’s where I should be. On the other hand, is there a more robust selection for the Office of Readings in the 4 Vol set? Thanks-

 

[Lhhs]

Liturgy of the Hours? I have the entire four volumn set.

is there only one option as far as which set to buy?