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Although to be fair perhaps not all of these Holy instruments of torture were used during the Spanish Inquisition (I would have to ask when were they used and by whom).

This article indicates that the Holy instruments of torture were stappado, waterboarding, the rack, the Spanish ticker, the Spider, the Heretic’s Fork, and the Judas Chair.
 
AmateurPianist,

I am not an expert on the past torture devices of Europe nor which ones were employed by Spanish authorities but the pictures of torture devices in your links, and which you attribute to the Inquisitions do not match with the Wikipedia definition that torture could not include bloodshed.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Inquisition

Torture.

“Torture could be used after 1252. On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull entitled Ad exstirpanda, which authorized the use of torture by inquisitors. Torture was undoubtedly used in the trial of the Templars, but is in fact not much found in heresy trials until the later fourteenth century. Torture methods that resulted in bloodshed, mutilation or death were forbidden. Also, torture could be performed only once. However, it was common practice to consider a second torture session to be a “continuation” of the first. Torture methods included hanging by the wrists, with weights suspended from the ankles.”

The following link shows the Spanish Inquisition abolished in 1808 but re-instated by Ferdinand in 1814. The Pope granted this on the express condition that no torture was to be used.

newadvent.org/cathen/08026a.htm

The following link quotes a BBC documentary and an American historian that torture could only occur for 15 minutes and at which a doctor had to be present and had the power to stop it at any time.

The link also does acknowledge the wrongness of the situation which i am not arguing against. The point though is that this episode is mis-represented as some sort of typical Catholic practice and exaggerated to effect with attacks upon an all powerful Pontificate the main focus even if they are not justified and used as an excuse to demonise and reject Catholicism. (Sounds very familiar in current events).

ewtn.com/library/homelibr/spaninq.txt

"In any case, no Catholic should ever whitewash the Inquisition. We must honestly
acknowledge that three Popes-Sixtus IV, Innocent VIII, and Alexander VI-tried to
moderate the undue severity of the early Spanish Inquisition. We must also face this
question: Why should anyone ever be put in prison or put to death for believing
heresy? That is not the way of the Gospel, nor the path of reason. Walsh pointedly says
that no Catholic today wants a return to the Inquisition. Nor do we want cover-ups of
the past, for as Leo XIII said, “The Church has no need of any man’s lie.”

OK Peace, and i’ll leave you with it.
 
abucs said:
AmateurPianist,

I am not an expert on the past torture devices of Europe nor which ones were employed by Spanish authorities but the pictures of torture devices in your links, and which you attribute to the Inquisitions do not match with the Wikipedia definition that torture could not include bloodshed.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Inquisition

Torture.

“Torture could be used after 1252. On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal bull entitled Ad exstirpanda, which authorized the use of torture by inquisitors. Torture was undoubtedly used in the trial of the Templars, but is in fact not much found in heresy trials until the later fourteenth century. Torture methods that resulted in bloodshed, mutilation or death were forbidden. Also, torture could be performed only once. However, it was common practice to consider a second torture session to be a “continuation” of the first. Torture methods included hanging by the wrists, with weights suspended from the ankles.”

The following link shows the Spanish Inquisition abolished in 1808 but re-instated by Ferdinand in 1814. The Pope granted this on the express condition that no torture was to be used.

newadvent.org/cathen/08026a.htm

The following link quotes a BBC documentary and an American historian that torture could only occur for 15 minutes and at which a doctor had to be present and had the power to stop it at any time.

The link also does acknowledge the wrongness of the situation which i am not arguing against. The point though is that this episode is mis-represented as some sort of typical Catholic practice and exaggerated to effect with attacks upon an all powerful Pontificate the main focus even if they are not justified and used as an excuse to demonise and reject Catholicism. (Sounds very familiar in current events).

ewtn.com/library/homelibr/spaninq.txt

"In any case, no Catholic should ever whitewash the Inquisition. We must honestly
acknowledge that three Popes-Sixtus IV, Innocent VIII, and Alexander VI-tried to
moderate the undue severity of the early Spanish Inquisition. We must also face this
question: Why should anyone ever be put in prison or put to death for believing
heresy? That is not the way of the Gospel, nor the path of reason. Walsh pointedly says
that no Catholic today wants a return to the Inquisition. Nor do we want cover-ups of
the past, for as Leo XIII said, “The Church has no need of any man’s lie.”

OK Peace, and i’ll leave you with it.
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Then you do not believe that this was a Holy Inquisition.

Good.

Then you are not a nut case and the moderators should continue to allow to to post here.
Walsh pointedly says that no Catholic today wants a return to the Inquisition.
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Apparantly one Catholic nut case does.🙂

Now somebody most certainly did use these instruments of torture. And some sources do say that some were used during the Spanish Inquisition. And there were other events that clerics were involved with other than the inquisition. That being said I will leave it to the historians (of which I am not one) to sort out the details,
 
AmateurPianist said:
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Apparantly one Catholic nut case does.🙂

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Were Popes Gregory IX, Paul II, Innocent IV, Urban IV, Clement IV, Clement V, Boniface VIII, etc. etc. etc. who supported the Holy Inquisition all “nut cases.”
 
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