How many women here wear a headcovering to Novus Ordo Mass?

[Chiltepin]

I am 22 years old and I wear one :byzsoc:

Me too!(well 23 pretty soon, but for now we have that in common!) My parish is also not very traditional.

It is pretty frustrating being in a suburb where your only choices are contemporary mega churches. I need to build up the bravery to drive downtown (scary Houston driving.) I figure that it’s ok for now, since I have no children. My children will need to be brought up in a more traditional parish where they can witness Catholic culture. I was not exposed to a traditional Mass until later, because of where we lived growing up.

I’m thinking more women my age will start doing it, once they understand it.

I agree that this practice is on the rise among young women. I’m not given the opportunity to explain myself very often because no one ever asks.

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edit: I have considered getting permission from the Priest to begin a project at my parish where there would be a basket of pamphlets and head coverings in the Narthex of the church. They would be nothing fancy, only what I could find at the fabric store on sale. I have noticed that people really like free stuff. If it seemed like it was backed by the Priest, people might be more comfortable doing it. The trouble is I’m not sure if he will go for it.

I got the idea from a Latin Mass community that I once attended where they had a basket for anyone who forgot a veil. Now those veils were not for you to keep, only to borrow. I think that at such a large parish as mine, people would not return them, nor would they wear them if they thought they had been worn (lice issues ).

I do want to wait until I am finished with grad school though, because I was going to expense it myself and there really isn’t room for that right now in my budget. Also I think I have a better chance of getting Father’s permission if I am not asking for money.

 

[graceandglory]

I love being Catholic. **It’s not a new, fun toy for me. It is my final destination **and it took me longer than I would have liked to get here…

I love how you put this.
After 20 yrs of “bouncing around”
I am convinced the same is true for me.
It’s like you just know when you finally arrive.
And that’s why we say, “Welcome Home!”

 

[PaulinVA]

Could someone answer my teenaged honor-student daughter? Why, if we all are equal in the sight of God, and all have the same dignity, should half of us cover our heads?

 

[graceandglory]

re: headcoverings
I do.
To NO
wish more did, so I didn’t feel so conspicuous
but not to saturday mass
and some dailies
i will if i’m not the only one
i’m not so much of a leader

why?
same reason as Hard2BHumble, I bet
It’s biblical
I was a bible believing prot for a lot of yrs
looks like a pretty clear biblical command

 

[graceandglory]

Could someone answer my teenaged honor-student daughter? Why, if we all are equal in the sight of God, and all have the same dignity, should half of us cover our heads?

To your honor student daughter,
Because it HONORS our heads!!!

1 Corinthians Chapter 11
1* Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. 2* I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you. 3* But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a woman is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. 4 Any man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head,** 5* but any woman who prays or prophesies with her head unveiled dishonors her head–it is the same as if her head were shaven**. 6 For if a woman will not veil herself, then she should cut off her hair; but if it is disgraceful for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her wear a veil. 7* For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but woman is the glory of man. 8* (For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9* Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man.) 10 That is why a woman ought to have a veil * on her head, because of the angels. 11 (Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; 12* for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God.) 13 Judge for yourselves; is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14 Does not nature itself teach you that for a man to wear long hair is degrading to him, 15 but if a woman has long hair, it is her pride? For her hair is given to her for a covering. 16* If any one is disposed to be contentious, we recognize no other practice, nor do the churches of God.

 

[Chiltepin]

Could someone answer my teenaged honor-student daughter? Why, if we all are equal in the sight of God, and all have the same dignity, should half of us cover our heads?

We are equal but very different from men, wouldn’t you say? There are great gifts that are distinct to femininity. Veiling is an act that is, at least for us, a distinct act of feminine devotion, a recognition of your gifts and your obedience, also reverence toward the Blessed Sacrament.

Certainly there are religions in which only the men cover their heads or both men and women cover their heads. It is an act of prayerful obedience that shouldn’t be looked upon as making you degraded or less equal.

I guess before attempting to answer your question I should have asked, is your daughter asking because she thinks women should not 'have to’ veil or because she thinks men should also cover their heads?

 

[PaulinVA]

To your honor student daughter,
Because it HONORS our heads!!!

Yes, I know the Pauline support for veiling. However, there must be a reason for the Church to disregard this clear directive.

I guess that’s a whole discussion on exegesis and what’s for then and what’s for now. Context and all that.

 

[graceandglory]

Yes, I know the Pauline support for veiling. However, there must be a reason for the Church to disregard this clear directive.

I guess that’s a whole discussion on exegesis and what’s for then and what’s for now. Context and all that.

My understanding is, that in the 1983 (?) Code of Canon Law (?)
it was left out.
Which doesn’t mean that it was “abrogated” just that it was “left out.”

Somehow the editors failed to write it in.
At least that’s what I have learned from trying to find out the reason for a couple yrs.

This is the best write-up I’ve found on it, but I’m not so sure about its journalistic integrity.

fisheaters.com/theveil.html

This phrase makes me question its validity, although it still makes a solid argument.

during the Second Vatican Council, **Bugnini (the same Freemason who designed the Novus Ordo Mass) **was asked by journalists if women would still have to cover their heads. His reply, perhaps innocently enough, was that the issue was not being discussed. The journalists (as journalists are wont to do with Church teaching) took his answer as a “no,” and printed their misinformation in newspapers all over the world. Since then, most Catholic women in the “Novus Ordo world” have lost the tradition.

 

[PaulinVA]

Somehow the editors failed to write it in.
At least that’s what I have learned from trying to find out the reason for a couple yrs.

Forgot? This is all a misunderstanding, and even the Vatican can’t figure out that women are still supposed to be veiled?

Either women are required to be veiled or they are not.

 

[PaulinVA]

I guess before attempting to answer your question I should have asked, is your daughter asking because she thinks women should not 'have to’ veil or because she thinks men should also cover their heads?

The concern is that if we are all equal in the sight of God and all have equal dignity, why are women required to cover their heads? She suspects to show submission (to God, husband, father), which she is having a hard time reconciling with the equal dignity part.

 

[graceandglory]

Forgot? This is all a misunderstanding, and even the Vatican can’t figure out that women are still supposed to be veiled?

Either women are required to be veiled or they are not.

So, what’s your take on it?
If the Vatican doesn’t require it,
like the Vatican requires ladies’ shoulders to be covered in the summer months,
then
it sounds like
it is not required.

Therefore, if it’s not required,
then
it would be
a personal devotion.

Nothing to “lord over” anyone,
or trumpet to prove your holiness,
but a personal devotion
done out of love for our Lord
and His blessed Presence in the
Most Holy Sacrament.

 

[Hard2BHumble]

Ladies, if you want to find out all the arguments about whether it’s required or not…go search the forums. That’s what I did, and found enough to keep me occupied reading for hours. That is how I came to the conclusion that this subject really gets women angry! It is not required or it is so convoluted and clouded and confused that no one can get to the bottom of it…please, let’s don’t do this all again. Go and read the other forums if you want to argue about the “required” part. There is one thing that is absolutely true…if we choose to, we can. We have not been forbidden to wear a head covering. Therefore, if you don’t like the idea, don’t do it! After about 8 hours of research and reading, it seems to be the final bottom line of many forums and threads that no one is going to excommunicated or not allowed into Purgatory or even directly into Heaven if we don’t wear a veil. Let us respect each other’s wishes as to veiling or not veiling and leave it alone. For those of us who are interested and want to talk about our reasons, give us some space. We aren’t trying to tell you what to do!

“Oh Lord, it’s hard to be humble, when you’re perfect in e-ve-ry way”

 

[adelore]

I’ve noticed that some women on here only where they headcovering depending on what type of Mass they are attending.

May I ask why, what makes the difference in what type of Mass it is? Please note I’m not asking to cause a debate, I’m just wonder why a women would wear a head covering to one “type” of Mass and not the other.

For myself, I wear a headcovering to Any and All Mass that I attend. To me, if the Eurchrist is present and it’s a Mass being said, then I feel my head should be covered.

And besides that why would I not want to, I like the idea of the Angles being around me, no mattter what kind of a Mass it is. Paul said we should cover our heads and women have been doing in it the church for over a thousands years…not to mention that it gives honor and glory to our Heavenly Father…these are good enough reasons for me.

I guess to sum up my thoughts on the Veil or Women wearing Headcoverings at Mass. Those of us who feel the calling to wear a covering will do it, those who don’t feel the calling or don’t think they need to wear a headcovering won’t, simple as that.

Reseaching why and how the “headcovering” or “veil” came into the Catholic Church could be/might be very interesting to some.

It’s like the Prodesent who later became Catholic, there was just something about the Catholic Church that drew them home. Might I add to those who don’t cover at Mass, search it out…find out what draws us to cover our heads at Mass, if nothing else you will at least understand why we do more.

By the way I was the Only one who covers my head in the entire church and today I saw another lady starting to wear a headcover.

 

[Hard2BHumble]

Good for you, Adelore!
Yes, I think that in this instance we actually get to choose. Isn’t that nice? If the Pope and the Magisterium ever want to be very specific on this issue and pin it down to the exact place it is or isn’t in Canon Law and issue an edict or whatever you call it, then we’ll need to obey…but for now, it’s apparently up to us. And as far as those ladies who might wear it to one mass and not to another, really…isn’t that OK? ? There might be lots of reasons why…how would we know? As for me, I don’t care what other women do, since we apparently are able to choose on this subject. And I appreciate their giving me the same courtesy.

 

[PaulinVA]

Grace and Glory, I agree with your last post.

 

[sarahraegraham]

I’ve noticed that some women on here only where they headcovering depending on what type of Mass they are attending.

May I ask why, what makes the difference in what type of Mass it is? Please note I’m not asking to cause a debate, I’m just wonder why a women would wear a head covering to one “type” of Mass and not the other.

For myself, I wear a headcovering to Any and All Mass that I attend. To me, if the Eurchrist is present and it’s a Mass being said, then I feel my head should be covered.

Reseaching why and how the “headcovering” or “veil” came into the Catholic Church could be/might be very interesting to some.

It’s like the Prodesent who later became Catholic, there was just something about the Catholic Church that drew them home. Might I add to those who don’t cover at Mass, search it out…find out what draws us to cover our heads at Mass, if nothing else you will at least understand why we do more.

I agree 100% with both of these. What a novel concept: mass is mass is mass! :newidea: If I do decide to veil I will do so every Mass I attend, OF or EF… and, as a former Protestant, I am personally being drawn to veiling, ever since I heard of the practice. There’s just something there, and it’s very similar to my journey home.

 

[brigid12]

Wow, I am having a hard time understanding why some people on this thread have such negative ideas towards those who choose to cover their heads at prayer and at Mass.

It took me several years of weighing and praying about the call to cover before I finally (timidly) purchased and wore a mantilla to church. I assure those of you who may think otherwise that my motivation had absolutely nothing to do with a feeling of “holier than thou” or looking down on women who did not feel the same need to do this. In fact I was very, very concerned about the question of “drawing attention to myself”, so much so that I feel I actually ended up refusing to be obediant to what I felt I was clearly asked to do.

I don’t feel prideful or haughty when wearing a mantilla to Mass, on the contrary, it took a lot of prayer to be able to submerge my vanity regarding “looking strange” before I could get myself to do it.

I grew up during the transition from the old ways to Vatican II and my recent decision to return to veiling was conflicted by how stupid and “ugly” I felt as a young girl being forced to wear covering to church.

I am aware that there are some in my parish who look at me a bit strangely when I show up with my head covering at Mass, and maybe others who think I am trying to reproach them for not doing the same…but…my strong conviction that this is an important thing for me to do is not swayed by those concerns any longer.

My decision is personal, and one of obediance and humility. If others take note of my very PERSONAL decision, I would hope that the majority of those that do take personal courage that they would not be the only women choosing what to me, now that I fully understand and accept this calling, is a beautiful privilege they can partake of with less trepidation if only because at least one other woman in their parish chose to brave whatever negative feedback may be dished out.

I wish that more women in my parish felt free to cover their heads if they so wished. The attached picture is not of my parish group, and is a much more traditional parish than mine, but when I look at it I get no sense that these women are covering their heads in order to demonstrate any kind of pride or haughtiness over others. On the contrary.

http://www.olmcfssp.org/cms/images/photo_gallery/May_Crowning/olmc_may_022_web.JPG

In prayer I was challenged numerous times to wear a veil. At first I thought it was about a vocation , then I started for a very short time to wear a headcovering to Mass. I stopped when the dirty looks were not only from other parishioners but from the priests as well. I stopped wearing the headcovering for a while (about a year), but continued receiving on the tongue (standing after genuflecting). The two priests at my parish have gotten used to me and know I’m not going to 'cause a commotion in the parish (they even recognize my shoes, now, as they’re looking down when I approach them to receive ). I’ve started easing back into covering - right now I’m wearing a crocheted beret on my head to Mass(it helps that it’s so cold out, too). Next step when it’s a lot warmer is a very long scarf/shawl wrapped around me. I’ve noticed other women in the parish, at the Vigil Mass even, doing the same thing I’m doing. I sure like it and I think that He does, too!

 

[KathleenElsie]

I agree 100% with both of these. What a novel concept: mass is mass is mass! :newidea: If I do decide to veil I will do so every Mass I attend, OF or EF… and, as a former Protestant, I am personally being drawn to veiling, ever since I heard of the practice. There’s just something there, and it’s very similar to my journey home.

I admit I go one further. If I am in the presence of the Eucharist my head is covered. As I tell others when the red candle is lit Jesus is in the Tabernacle so I will be covered. I do not cover at any type of Protestant service as the true presence of Christ is not there.

Around the house if I am praying I will also put a veil on. This is as a reminder to family member and myself not to distract me or to become distracted.

 

[lizaanne]

Around the house if I am praying I will also put a veil on. This is as a reminder to family member and myself not to distract me or to become distracted.

This would be difficult for me – I’m praying while I’m washing the dishes, taking a shower, washing the floors, folding laundry, driving to the grocery store, feeding the cats…you get the idea. I’m not ready to cover all day long, but I do cover at any Mass and at adoration.

~Liza

 

[sarahraegraham]

This would be difficult for me – I’m praying while I’m washing the dishes, taking a shower, washing the floors, folding laundry, driving to the grocery store, feeding the cats…you get the idea. I’m not ready to cover all day long, but I do cover at any Mass and at adoration.

~Liza

Does anyone know if CAF has ever done a poll on how many of us cover full-time? I would be curious to see how prevalent it is.