In books, movies, television shows, video games, etc., how much immoral behavior, graphic sex, graphic violence, or blasphemy should be tolerated for the sake of what is good there?
Does it make a difference if the immorality is condemned or supported in the work?
What do you all think?
I think it does make a difference. A big difference. We should avoid works that glorify immorality, but thankfully this is often not the case.
LOST, for instance, occasionally portrayed but never glorified immorality. The stupidity and selfishness that characterized the sexual encounter between Sawyer and Ana Lucia in the second season, for instance, was part of a chain of events that led to that episode’s horrific and brutal ending (the murder of Ana Lucia and Libby, because Ana Lucia got Sawyer’s gun).
Now that said, the role of age-appropriateness is critical. Just because a portrayal of something isn’t intrinsically immoral doesn’t mean it’s appropriate for every age. I love
LOST but would not let a child watch it. I love
Harry Potter but would not let a child under 11 or 12 read it. And the list goes on.
And even your example of
South Park is an intriguing one. That show is extraordinarily clever, and its satirical sting is a blessing for our society. One of my friends told me about an episode - I haven’t seen it, though, I don’t really watch the show myself - that brutally satirized the hypocrisy of embryo-destructive research, for instance.
When was this country (I assume you mean the U.S) a decent and moral nation?
If you are referring to the time period during which “what passes for entertainment these days” would not have been shown, may I please remind you, with all due respect, that during those times blacks, Native Americans, and other “minorities” were considered to be second-class citizens (if they were lucky), blacks sat at the back of the bus, schools were segregated, and if a black person walked into Woolworth’s and sat down at the counter to order a hamburger and a cup of coffee he/she would be kicked out, cruelly.
This country has never been decent and moral. Americans have stolen land, moved the indigenous people onto land the new “Americans” didn’t want, people were bought and sold and considered property, women couldn’t vote and could be legally raped by their husbands, movies such as Gone with the Wind and The Birth of a Nation were horribly racist and inappropriate.
So, please tell me because I really want to know: when was this country a decent and moral nation?
Well said, Little Soldier, well said! I agree: we have never been a decent and moral nation. Whether it was persecution of the land’s native inhabitants, treating other people as property (slavery), ugly anti-Catholic and anti-immigration attitudes (past and present), racial segregation, sexual inequality, or the murder of the unborn, there has never been a time in our country’s history when we were a truly godly nation. The city of God will never be the city of this world, and right-wing Catholic Americans would do well to remember it: not because we shouldn’t fight for justice today, but rather so that we don’t plummet into the moral morass of blind nostalgia.
This country has never been completely moral and decent, but has given people the chance to better themselves and their families. Why else would so many illegal immigrants risk their lives to come here if that wasn’t the case?
I agree completely. Our culture may have a lot of issues, but the United States of America is absolutely worth the trouble.
In the 1950s and 1960s, Catholics were taught to be modest in speech and dress, to avoid lewd magazines, and to shun divorce. Today, we have the 180 degree opposite.
But the 1950s and early 1960s had their own problems as well. Racial segregation and the prevalence of racism’s social acceptability in many areas of the country is just one example.
And don’t forget that while fornication was less acceptable than it is today, people nonetheless often turned a blind eye to adultery - when a man committed it. Thankfully
that is no longer the case.
Blind nostalgia is the enemy of moral progress. It is futile, foolish, and counterproductive to look backward. We must be looking forward. I am grateful for the Civil Rights movement, women being allowed to vote, and feminism’s effect on male adultery and women’s economic status.
Today, we have other problems: cultural acceptance of rampant fornication, abortion, homosexuality, and nativism; also, cultural aversion to personal moral responsibility. But the solution lies not in the past, but in the future. In fact, the true, ultimate solution is unavoidably eschatological.
And anyone who has on this thread belittled the past extent of racism and racial segregation in America should be ashamed of himself.
The old, Look over there - poverty, racism! The list goes on!!
We still have poverty and racism. Detroit is the most segregated city (what’s left of it) in the nation.
And yet the fact remains that racism is completely socially unacceptable today, whereas in
many areas of the country it
wasn’t sixty years ago. Likewise,
formal segregation is now illegal.
These are improvements, plain and simple.
Please stop telling people to look over there when the topic is, in fact, “what passes for entertainment.”
Nice try. That
was the topic, and it’s true indeed that the moral state of American culture sixty years ago was not relevant, but
you’re the one who brought that up. You don’t get to have that be the topic when it supports your nostalgia and
not have that be the topic when it doesn’t.