How Much Time Does the U.S. Have?

[peregrinus_WA]

I have been saying for awhile that society is on the verge, if not already, of implosion (collapse) due to the weight of the perversions put on it by Liberalism and Relativism. The following article kind of echoes that:

How Much Time Does the U.S. Have?

A friend recently asked: “How long do we have left as a society?” In answer to that question I informed her about an interesting and comprehensive study that a renowned British anthropologist, Joseph Unwin, PhD., presented to the British Psychological Society in 1935. Unwin sought to prove that the traditional monogamous model for marriage was not essential to the maintenance of a healthy society. After studying 86 different cultures, across time and continents –and much to his surprise — he came to the inescapable conclusion that the traditional male-female monogamous model for marriage was indeed the best foundation for a healthy and productive society.

Unwin found that societies that adopted this model typically took about three generations to reach their peak of productivity and progress. After that, frequently, a gradual development of complacency and licentiousness would take place and what he described as an ”outburst of homosexuality” would sometimes occur. When that happened, and the society started to move away from the traditional model of male-female monogamous marriage as its foundation, it would begin to unravel. It would then take another three generations of deterioration from that point for the society to collapse.

And it is not just the US. Other parts of the world are a lot further along in the implosion than we are.

 

[geezerbob]

Many factors usually cause the collapse of any given society. The Romans lasted over 500 years and I’ve heard it taught that their empire collapsed because of the decline in morals. However, the fall actually occurred after it had been under a strong Christian influence for close to 150 years and was precipitated by other factors such as corrupt leaders (we have plenty of those), sloth, and staffing their armies with people from the conquered regions whose loyalty was questionable.

While I don’t like the way the country is headed and the author has tried to establish a relationship between the lack of morality and the collapse of the country, he has not even come close to establishing a causal relationship.

I can visualize another civil war pitting Christians against relativists which would bring the US to its knees and make it vulnerable to being taken over by a foreign government. If the fringes of society keep up with their aggressive efforts to take over, it could easily come to that.

I didn’t vote because the motherboard in my crystal ball blew a capacitor.

 

[NewUlm1976_2000]

The US has plenty of time, reproduction rates will remain stable and life will continue on with all the expected ups and downs we have always had. We have more than 100years left.

 

[peregrinus_WA]

Many factors usually cause the collapse of any given society. The Romans lasted over 500 years and I’ve heard it taught that their empire collapsed because of the decline in morals. However, the fall actually occurred after it had been under a strong Christian influence for close to 150 years and was precipitated by other factors such as corrupt leaders (we have plenty of those), sloth, and staffing their armies with people from the conquered regions whose loyalty was questionable.

While I don’t like the way the country is headed and the author has tried to establish a relationship between the lack of morality and the collapse of the country, he has not even come close to establishing a causal relationship.

I can visualize another civil war pitting Christians against relativists which would bring the US to its knees and make it vulnerable to being taken over by a foreign government. If the fringes of society keep up with their aggressive efforts to take over, it could easily come to that.

I didn’t vote because the motherboard in my crystal ball blew a capacitor.

Things move faster now than in Roman times. I see it coming to a head in about a decade (if that). If I sound pessimistic, I am.

 

[strngrnrth]

I have looked into the effect of overwhelming stress on animals. Captivity, lack of parenting, and crowding have been studied for their influence on social behavior. Those aren’t the only possible stressors, though. Loss of a shared concept of truth, possibility of nuclear war, many things can have the same effects.
The first signs of breakdown in animals are increased addictive/stereotyped/pointlessly repeated behavior (from what I can find out so far, these seem to have increased sharply with the early days of industrialization, about 1750-1850), then an increase in child abuse, abandonment and hoarding behavior (19th Century), sexual experimentation, sexual abuse, delayed nesting with no corresponding delay in mating in many cases and formation of youth gangs who often abandon their young (1850-1935 give or take). Next generation shows a sharp increase in homosexuality, refusal to mate or nest, males who steal from females, and killing their own kind (1890-now). Then we see whole troops of adolescents who refuse to mate, nest or even seek adequate food, who choose to sit in the dark compulsively talking to themselves and grooming themselves, who stare at walls all night and never sleep (1958-now). What comes next is another increase in murder, child abandonment and refusal to nest, along with an increase in random destructive and violent behavior of many kinds, constant crying, self-mutilation, paranoia, overeating, headbanging, and hypersexuality (around 1980-now). Then a sharp increase in infanticide, pansexuality, and refusal of all nourishment (1990’s-now). Then the group begins to die out by refusing to mate, nest, or even eat and drink, and because their immune systems give out from stress. It looks as if the early signs of these phenomena are already showing up. We are on our way out, but not because of failure to be monogamous; that’s another symptom. The underlying problem is that we lost some security in the 18th Century here, and at other times all around the rest of the world, and though the American Revolution was a move toward freedom, it did little for women, blacks and Indians, at the time. Meanwhile industrialization, despite its benefits, crushed something in us that had been holding us together until then.

 

[Oscarthecat]

I have been saying for awhile that society is on the verge, if not already, of implosion (collapse) due to the weight of the perversions put on it by Liberalism and Relativism. The following article kind of echoes that:
And it is not just the US. Other parts of the world are a lot further along in the implosion than we are.

This kind of apocalyptic anxiety is the biggest problem facing the U.S… Too many people are coming to the conclusion that our problems are insurmountable, and that the only only solution to restoring order lies on the other side of social collapse.

But it is hardly a new idea- the fear of total social collapse is common throughout human history- you might have run across it in the OT.

It was also a bit of a problem for the early Church - many 1st century Christians expected the Second Coming to occur in their lifetime, and so they didn’t see any point to societal or worldly endeavors of any kind because the end was imminent.

Society starts to collapse pretty fast if people become convinced that there is no point to trying to improve society if it is doomed anyway.

Then again, several societies throughout human history, including the U.S., have stepped back from the brink of collapse because enough people decided to do something about it.

 

[LilyM]

I have looked into the effect of overwhelming stress on animals. Captivity, lack of parenting, and crowding have been studied for their influence on social behavior. Those aren’t the only possible stressors, though. Loss of a shared concept of truth, possibility of nuclear war, many things can have the same effects.
The first signs of breakdown in animals are increased addictive/stereotyped/pointlessly repeated behavior (from what I can find out so far, these seem to have increased sharply with the early days of industrialization, about 1750-1850), then an increase in child abuse, abandonment and hoarding behavior (19th Century), sexual experimentation, sexual abuse, delayed nesting with no corresponding delay in mating in many cases and formation of youth gangs who often abandon their young (1850-1935 give or take). Next generation shows a sharp increase in homosexuality, refusal to mate or nest, males who steal from females, and killing their own kind (1890-now). Then we see whole troops of adolescents who refuse to mate, nest or even seek adequate food, who choose to sit in the dark compulsively talking to themselves and grooming themselves, who stare at walls all night and never sleep (1958-now). What comes next is another increase in murder, child abandonment and refusal to nest, along with an increase in random destructive and violent behavior of many kinds, constant crying, self-mutilation, paranoia, overeating, headbanging, and hypersexuality (around 1980-now). Then a sharp increase in infanticide, pansexuality, and refusal of all nourishment (1990’s-now). Then the group begins to die out by refusing to mate, nest, or even eat and drink, and because their immune systems give out from stress. It looks as if the early signs of these phenomena are already showing up. We are on our way out, but not because of failure to be monogamous; that’s another symptom. The underlying problem is that we lost some security in the 18th Century here, and at other times all around the rest of the world, and though the American Revolution was a move toward freedom, it did little for women, blacks and Indians, at the time. Meanwhile industrialization, despite its benefits, crushed something in us that had been holding us together until then.

Puh-leeze - sitting in the dark staring at walls and talking to ourselves? NEVER sleeping? An increase in random destructive and violent behaviour (emphasis being on the word random, which for example excludes domestic violence, the vast majority of murders which are far from random, and terrorism)? Hasn’t most violent crime actually decreased in recent years if you look at the stats?

 

[ribozyme]

I would bet on a Joseph Tainter like collapse of society due to peak oil or resource depletion instead of the aforementioned scenario of “the breakdown of the family.” I also Paul Ehrlich doomsday scenarios have a realistic chance of occuring.

 

[strngrnrth]

Puh-leeze - sitting in the dark staring at walls and talking to ourselves? NEVER sleeping? An increase in random destructive and violent behaviour (emphasis being on the word random, which for example excludes domestic violence, the vast majority of murders which are far from random, and terrorism)? Hasn’t most violent crime actually decreased in recent years if you look at the stats?

When I read about the ones that sit and stare in the dark and chatter away to themselves I laughed in self-recogition. We were like that wehni was younger – nightclubs, coffeehouses, donut shops, or just dark alleys, we sat and looked at the wall or the sidewalk and babbled about nothing, talking after our friends left, uninterested in dating or building a career, doing our hair and makeup all night, rocking ourselves, scribbling gibberish in our journals.

 

[LilyM]

When I read about the ones that sit and stare in the dark and chatter away to themselves I laughed in self-recogition. We were like that wehni was younger – nightclubs, coffeehouses, donut shops, or just dark alleys, we sat and looked at the wall or the sidewalk and babbled about nothing, talking after our friends left, uninterested in dating or building a career, doing our hair and makeup all night, rocking ourselves, scribbling gibberish in our journals.

Well, people who are very young can be excused for not being interested in dating or a career - depends on the age. Same for not talking with the wisdom and coherence of Solomon or Socrates.

As for babbling (I presume you mean literally senseless talk rather than talk on trivial subjects) and rocking yourselves, sounds like and your friends were were either on drugs or suffered from mental disorders.

 

[Cuddy_Duck]

Renowned psychologist Joseph Unwin, PhD?

Excuse my ignorance of a fellow Englishman, and a *renowned *one at that, but I can find no reference to this Dr Unwin anywhere except for the article you posted (which is also posted on another handful of sites.)

Are you sure the authenticity of this story can be verified?

 

[Cuddy_Duck]

I guess not.

 

[aggiecatholic05]

i put over 100 years because we may not be perfect but we’re as close as man has gotten yet. and i dont care about the olympics we’d wipe the floor with china or anbody else that tried to hurry our demise along. we may not do well occupying but we can take out a conventional army in days.

 

[Cuddy_Duck]

I put other because there was no “the article is bogus” option.:coffeeread:

 

[Swan]

I have looked into the effect of overwhelming stress on animals. Captivity, lack of parenting, and crowding have been studied for their influence on social behavior. Those aren’t the only possible stressors, though. Loss of a shared concept of truth, possibility of nuclear war, many things can have the same effects.
The first signs of breakdown in animals are increased addictive/stereotyped/pointlessly repeated behavior (from what I can find out so far, these seem to have increased sharply with the early days of industrialization, about 1750-1850), then an increase in child abuse, abandonment and hoarding behavior (19th Century), sexual experimentation, sexual abuse, delayed nesting with no corresponding delay in mating in many cases and formation of youth gangs who often abandon their young (1850-1935 give or take). Next generation shows a sharp increase in homosexuality, refusal to mate or nest, males who steal from females, and killing their own kind (1890-now). Then we see whole troops of adolescents who refuse to mate, nest or even seek adequate food, who choose to sit in the dark compulsively talking to themselves and grooming themselves, who stare at walls all night and never sleep (1958-now). What comes next is another increase in murder, child abandonment and refusal to nest, along with an increase in random destructive and violent behavior of many kinds, constant crying, self-mutilation, paranoia, overeating, headbanging, and hypersexuality (around 1980-now). Then a sharp increase in infanticide, pansexuality, and refusal of all nourishment (1990’s-now). Then the group begins to die out by refusing to mate, nest, or even eat and drink, and because their immune systems give out from stress. It looks as if the early signs of these phenomena are already showing up. We are on our way out, but not because of failure to be monogamous; that’s another symptom. The underlying problem is that we lost some security in the 18th Century here, and at other times all around the rest of the world, and though the American Revolution was a move toward freedom, it did little for women, blacks and Indians, at the time. Meanwhile industrialization, despite its benefits, crushed something in us that had been holding us together until then.

That is really interesting. I remember years ago hearing about a study on animals dealing with the effects/stress of overcrowding. Mothers began eating their young. Industrialization has really been a double-edged sword. Agrarian economies, based on land and often family ties, were severed. Now families often live long distances and we have lost, in great part, respect for the earth. And while money was always important, industrialzation seems to have made it something of a god. Really interesting viewpoint. Thanks for posting.

 

[thomfra]

i put over 100 years because we may not be perfect but we’re as close as man has gotten yet. and i dont care about the olympics we’d wipe the floor with china or anbody else that tried to hurry our demise along. we may not do well occupying but we can take out a conventional army in days.

It is in the nature of all “empires” that they rise and fall. The US has kind of had it’s 50-60 years. Quite a short spell at the top when you think about it.

Plus the Chinese are just getting so very good at everything.

 

[idrum677]

Maybe at some point in the future the US will no longer be a nation, but I can’t see it happening anytime soon.

I voted “other.” I have faith that we will see what we are doing to ourselves and begin to turn things around. Our prayers for our country are not in vain. God was part of the founding principles of this nation and I believe He will take a more prominent place again.

 

[peregrinus_WA]

Decided to do some more commenting on this over on my blog under the entry:
How Much Time does Society Have?
It will be interesting to see if things do turn around to a point where society can be saved.

 

[Cuddy_Duck]

Well I’ll give Charles LiMandri one thing: He may be a lawyer but he has a wonderful immagination and doesn’t allow himself to get bogged down by worldy things such as history or facts.

 

[manualman]

Well I’ll give Charles LiMandri one thing: He may be a lawyer but he has a wonderful immagination and doesn’t allow himself to get bogged down by worldy things such as history or facts.

A quick Google search revealed this more apparently complete citation:

“In the last couple of years, there have been frequent references among some pro-family organizations about British Anthropologist Joseph D. Unwin’s research, the findings of which he published in his book Sex and Culture (London, Oxford University Press, 1934) concerning sexual mores and their relation to the advancement (or lack thereof) of 86 ancient civilizations. He had earlier published, in 1933, a preliminary report of his findings entitled Sexual Regulations and Human Behaviour ( London, Williams and Northgate. Ltd., 1933, 109 pgs.) to which I will, in part, refer here…”

I gotta run, but perhaps you can verify if those are legit published works?