How My View on Gay Marriage Changed

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At this point I am more inclined to just focus on restoring the true meaning of marriage. The gay marriage debate will eventually be washed away by the tsunami of the truth. But we can’t win this debate right now given what everyone else thinks what marriage is.
We can not look away from a significant escalating factor that is homosexual ‘marriage,’ Constantine. True,
Marriage has taken a beating. Americans cohabit, we divorce, we remarry, we split our resources between several sets of children. But we still have hope that we may recover the true meaning of marriage, because we still know the ideal: the lifelong, fruitful union that makes boys into husbands and fathers, and reconciles the “opposite sexes” to one another. Same-sex marriage would mean losing that ideal and losing our best hope for marriage renewal.
by Eve Tushnet, journalist and admitted lesbian Roman Catholic who says she is happily celibate.
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I do agree with what he is saying. **We’re losing the gay marriage debate because we have already, at this point, eroded the meaning of marriage. **For most people marriage is nothing more than a public ceremony of an expression of love by two persons to one another where they are given civil rights as a couple. How do you say that doesn’t apply to homosexuals? Before we can win this battle, we need to get back to basics. We need to make people understand what marriage in its entirety is. And starting with “it is between a man and a woman” won’t suffice at this point of the battle.
Well yes, we’re losing the gay marriage debate because we first lost the contraception debate, and that was the beginning of the end for marriage; it made gay marriage all but inevitable.

And once this trend toward the destruction of marriage and family is completed, it makes the end of our society inevitable.
 
Canada has had Gay marriage since 2005 and everything has been fine. Love between two consenting adults is actually quite beautiful.
If you are basing marriage only on love, you are going to have a difficult time trying to argue that genetic members of a family can not marry, they may feel ‘in love.’
 
At this point I am more inclined to just focus on restoring the true meaning of marriage. The gay marriage debate will eventually be washed away by the tsunami of the truth. But we can’t win this debate right now given what everyone else thinks what marriage is.
It is true that
**"Marriage has taken a beating. Americans cohabit, we divorce, we remarry, we split our resources between several sets of children.

But we still have hope that we may recover the true meaning of marriage, because we still know the ideal: the lifelong, fruitful union that makes boys into husbands and fathers, and reconciles the “opposite sexes” to one another.

Same-sex marriage would mean losing that ideal and losing our best hope for marriage renewal."**

~Eve Tushnet

Therefore, we can not just look away from the significant escalating factor that is homosexual ‘marriage.’

There is more than one front in this cultural war, Constantine.
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I think we can lay this in part at the feet of Martin Luther who reduced marriage’s sacramental status to that of being a mere civil union. Remember, he reduced the 7 sacraments to only 2----communion and baptism.

And Martin Luther (an ex-priest) entered into a civil union marriage with an ex-nun (who likely would have been a member of the LCWR had she been alive today.)
 
I do agree with what he is saying. We’re losing the gay marriage debate because we have already, at this point, eroded the meaning of marriage. For most people marriage is nothing more than a public ceremony of an expression of love by two persons to one another where they are given civil rights as a couple. How do you say that doesn’t apply to homosexuals? Before we can win this battle, we need to get back to basics. We need to make people understand what marriage in its entirety is. And starting with “it is between a man and a woman” won’t suffice at this point of the battle.
This is not a battle. This is spiritual warfare. No amount of finger pointing will divert Church teaching about the inalienable rights of marriage. "“Because we”? We who? It took 40 years to erode the true meaning and purpose of marriage. It took millions of dollars to open adult bookstores, strip clubs and topless bars in the 1970s and keep them running until today.

Just like abortion, Church teaching will still stand:

vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20030731_homosexual-unions_en.html

Peace,
Ed
 
This is not a battle. This is spiritual warfare. No amount of finger pointing will divert Church teaching about the inalienable rights of marriage. "“Because we”? We who? It took 40 years to erode the true meaning and purpose of marriage. It took millions of dollars to open adult bookstores, strip clubs and topless bars in the 1970s and keep them running until today.
Prostitution is not referred to as the “oldest profession” because it was invented in the last 40 years. Indeed all those things you mentioned have existed for a lot longer than 40 years. In fact, I suspect someone could make the case that we are not making an unprecedented change in sexual values, but rather returning to more classical norms (e.g. Ancient Roman.)
 
I absolutely agree with you there! 👍

The problem is that so many priests and lay-Catholics have no concept of what the church teaches, is apathetic towards the teachings, or even actively opposes them that we can no longer simply direct inquiring minds towards the nearest RCIA class in the hopes that the truth will be revealed to them there. As enlightened Catholics, we have to take the first steps in sheperding the flock and teaching people about the beauty of the authentic Catholic faith since the majority of church leaders just don’t seem to be up to the job, anymore…
And will we go beyond our Church doors and conferences and into the highways and byways?

I heard a Catholic priest on Catholic Radio say: “We can’t do this by ourselves.” This is not a management problem. Father Riccardo, a local priest, told his men’s group: “If you’re not out there evangelizing others, why not?”

We are a community of believers, and we are all called to spread the Gospel. And respectfully, are you not aware that there are fewer religious today than in 1965?

An authentic reading (as opposed to a distorted, which occurs here all the time) of Vatican II included a call to all laity to a greater participation in this work.

Peace,
Ed
 
It is offensive to compare those who want gay ‘marriage’ to the civil rights movement, and David Blankenhorn should know better.

The two can not be compared as there is no scientific proof that homosexuality is something that is genetic, unlike skin colour.
Even if homosexuality is genetic, the acts that comprise homosexual activity are certainly voluntary.
 
That user is actually saying Prostitution is really old…the ‘oldest profession’ and wasn’t invented in the last forty years.
Good idea to proofread for syntax before submitting a post, then. 😛
 
Canada has had Gay marriage since 2005 and everything has been fine. Love between two consenting adults is actually quite beautiful.
I go on the record, as a Canadian, when I say that things are far from “fine” up here… 😦

Love between two adults is indeed beautiful (since Christ calls us to love everyone) but sodomy is not love. Sodomy is actually the furthest from love since you are cutting yourself and your partner off from God (how could it be loving to possibly send the soul of the person you care about to hell through immoral actions?)
 
Why the heck would you call this a “hate piece”?
If anything, it’s a love letter.
From the article:
much of the opposition to gay marriage seems to stem, at least in part, from an underlying anti-gay animus. To me, a Southerner by birth whose formative moral experience was the civil rights movement, this fact is profoundly disturbing.
That view is based on the author’s own prejudice, not to mention his ignorance. I despise ignorance on the part of those who claim an education. I truly do. And particularly when it masquerades as truth and makes pretense to eloquence. In addition, the arrogant notion that “because” same-sex ersatz “marriage” is “supported by the national elites” and “by the young” would presumptively give it more moral credibility is offensive on its face. I have no respect for the cough “author.” He deserves none.
 
Homosexuality has scavanged around in my culture long enough. I want my culture back. I want my rainbow back. I want “gay” back. I want three billion spent in hush money/reparations to victims of homosexual Catholic clerics back. I want the singular sacrament of marriage back, that hallowing of the primal integration of male and female in matrimony that is set apart as holy.

Christ will return for His Bride, the Church, as John describes in his marriage-named “revelation” taken from the word for that intimate unveiling, that apocalypse. No profane mimickry can stop that. No PC persecution can stop that. May I endure and be faithful and true throughout the apostasy; throughout the erasure of religious rights; throughout the convulsion of heartless indifference to God’s will and to people longing to conform to it. “Even so, come Lord Jesus.”

In the history of the world, even under homosexual rulers, homosexuals have never sought to engage in marriage; it’s not their culture; it’s mine. The exception is Nero marrying the slave boy who resembled the wife he kicked to death. Stop the cultural imperialism of homosexuality. Hands off my culture. You have your own. Honor my boundaries.

Homosexuals represent the richest demographic in America, yet there is a dearth of homosexual charities. Homosexual privilege extends to having creating unconstitutional unequal protection under the law with “hate crimes,” a privilege that Democrats blocked extending to pregnant women. Yet homosexual culture has bred skyrocketing homosexual-on-homosexual violence. Homosexual culture has put women and children last. There are three times the deaths from breast cancer as AIDS; yet AIDS gets three times the funding. Homosexual culture has celebrated bondage and discipline and fake rape as sexual intimacy. Homosexual culture has for millennia obsessed about sexual relations with youth they won’t honor with safety from predation.

Households protected by domestic partnerships can include single mothers uniting under asexual legal and financial certitude. This could suffice to protect homosexuals from life’s insecurities as far as materially possible. That isn’t enough for them. Homosexuals want what is mine. Homosexuals can caricature women, express disdain for “Gennies” (genetic females), dress up and make-up and wed in full drag but sacramental homosexual marriage will be like the profane marriages of Noah’s era, an era filled with rape and violence. Homosexual marriage will never be anything more than another privilege garnered by the richest among us. Homosexual marriage is like an affirmative action program for white males. Marriage is the first and will be the last sacred integration of male and female. Give me the civil right to honor this universal sacrament. Homosexuals have no tradition here, no holy honor to restore.

Lord, keep me safe from predation and let the wolves eat themselves. AMEN
 
Homosexuality has scavanged around in my culture long enough. I want my culture back. I want my rainbow back. I want “gay” back. I want three billion spent in hush money/reparations to victims of homosexual Catholic clerics back. I want the singular sacrament of marriage back, that hallowing of the primal integration of male and female in matrimony that is set apart as holy.

Christ will return for His Bride, the Church, as John describes in his marriage-named “revelation” taken from the word for that intimate unveiling, that apocalypse. No profane mimickry can stop that. No PC persecution can stop that. May I endure and be faithful and true throughout the apostasy; throughout the erasure of religious rights; throughout the convulsion of heartless indifference to God’s will and to people longing to conform to it. “Even so, come Lord Jesus.”

In the history of the world, even under homosexual rulers, homosexuals have never sought to engage in marriage; it’s not their culture; it’s mine. The exception is Nero marrying the slave boy who resembled the wife he kicked to death. Stop the cultural imperialism of homosexuality. Hands off my culture. You have your own. Honor my boundaries.

Homosexuals represent the richest demographic in America, yet there is a dearth of homosexual charities. Homosexual privilege extends to having creating unconstitutional unequal protection under the law with “hate crimes,” a privilege that Democrats blocked extending to pregnant women. Yet homosexual culture has bred skyrocketing homosexual-on-homosexual violence. Homosexual culture has put women and children last. There are three times the deaths from breast cancer as AIDS; yet AIDS gets three times the funding. Homosexual culture has celebrated bondage and discipline and fake rape as sexual intimacy. Homosexual culture has for millennia obsessed about sexual relations with youth they won’t honor with safety from predation.

Households protected by domestic partnerships can include single mothers uniting under asexual legal and financial certitude. This could suffice to protect homosexuals from life’s insecurities as far as materially possible. That isn’t enough for them. Homosexuals want what is mine. Homosexuals can caricature women, express disdain for “Gennies” (genetic females), dress up and make-up and wed in full drag but sacramental homosexual marriage will be like the profane marriages of Noah’s era, an era filled with rape and violence. Homosexual marriage will never be anything more than another privilege garnered by the richest among us. Homosexual marriage is like an affirmative action program for white males. Marriage is the first and will be the last sacred integration of male and female. Give me the civil right to honor this universal sacrament. Homosexuals have no tradition here, no holy honor to restore.

Lord, keep me safe from predation and let the wolves eat themselves. AMEN
One. Fantastic. Post.

Raw and real. Thank you for having the courage and honesty to say what should be said more often and more publicly.
 
Homosexuality has scavanged around in my culture long enough. I want my culture back. I want my rainbow back. I want “gay” back. I want three billion spent in hush money/reparations to victims of homosexual Catholic clerics back. I want the singular sacrament of marriage back, that hallowing of the primal integration of male and female in matrimony that is set apart as holy.

Christ will return for His Bride, the Church, as John describes in his marriage-named “revelation” taken from the word for that intimate unveiling, that apocalypse. No profane mimickry can stop that. No PC persecution can stop that. May I endure and be faithful and true throughout the apostasy; throughout the erasure of religious rights; throughout the convulsion of heartless indifference to God’s will and to people longing to conform to it. “Even so, come Lord Jesus.”

In the history of the world, even under homosexual rulers, homosexuals have never sought to engage in marriage; it’s not their culture; it’s mine. The exception is Nero marrying the slave boy who resembled the wife he kicked to death. Stop the cultural imperialism of homosexuality. Hands off my culture. You have your own. Honor my boundaries.

Homosexuals represent the richest demographic in America, yet there is a dearth of homosexual charities. Homosexual privilege extends to

having creating unconstitutional unequal protection under the law with “hate crimes,” a privilege that Democrats blocked extending to pregnant women. Yet homosexual culture has bred skyrocketing homosexual-on-homosexual violence. Homosexual culture has put women and children last. There are three times the deaths from breast cancer as AIDS; yet AIDS gets three times the funding. Homosexual culture has celebrated bondage and discipline and fake rape as sexual intimacy. Homosexual culture has for millennia obsessed about sexual relations with youth they won’t honor with safety from predation.

Households protected by domestic partnerships can include single mothers uniting under asexual legal and financial certitude. This could suffice to protect homosexuals from life’s insecurities as far as materially possible. That isn’t enough for them. Homosexuals want what is mine. Homosexuals can caricature women, express disdain for “Gennies” (genetic females), dress up and make-up and wed in full drag but sacramental homosexual marriage will be like the profane marriages of Noah’s era, an era filled with rape and violence. Homosexual marriage will never be anything more than another privilege garnered by the richest among us. Homosexual marriage is like an affirmative action program for white males. Marriage is the first and will be the last sacred integration of male and female. Give me the civil right to honor this universal sacrament. Homosexuals have no tradition here, no holy honor to restore.

Lord, keep me safe from predation and let the wolves eat themselves. AMEN
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Homosexuality has scavanged around in my culture long enough. I want my culture back. I want my rainbow back. I want “gay” back. I want three billion spent in hush money/reparations to victims of homosexual Catholic clerics back. I want the singular sacrament of marriage back, that hallowing of the primal integration of male and female in matrimony that is set apart as holy.

Christ will return for His Bride, the Church, as John describes in his marriage-named “revelation” taken from the word for that intimate unveiling, that apocalypse. No profane mimickry can stop that. No PC persecution can stop that. May I endure and be faithful and true throughout the apostasy; throughout the erasure of religious rights; throughout the convulsion of heartless indifference to God’s will and to people longing to conform to it. “Even so, come Lord Jesus.”

In the history of the world, even under homosexual rulers, homosexuals have never sought to engage in marriage; it’s not their culture; it’s mine. The exception is Nero marrying the slave boy who resembled the wife he kicked to death. Stop the cultural imperialism of homosexuality. Hands off my culture. You have your own. Honor my boundaries.

Homosexuals represent the richest demographic in America, yet there is a dearth of homosexual charities. Homosexual privilege extends to having creating unconstitutional unequal protection under the law with “hate crimes,” a privilege that Democrats blocked extending to pregnant women. Yet homosexual culture has bred skyrocketing homosexual-on-homosexual violence. Homosexual culture has put women and children last. There are three times the deaths from breast cancer as AIDS; yet AIDS gets three times the funding. Homosexual culture has celebrated bondage and discipline and fake rape as sexual intimacy. Homosexual culture has for millennia obsessed about sexual relations with youth they won’t honor with safety from predation.

Households protected by domestic partnerships can include single mothers uniting under asexual legal and financial certitude. This could suffice to protect homosexuals from life’s insecurities as far as materially possible. That isn’t enough for them. Homosexuals want what is mine. Homosexuals can caricature women, express disdain for “Gennies” (genetic females), dress up and make-up and wed in full drag but sacramental homosexual marriage will be like the profane marriages of Noah’s era, an era filled with rape and violence. Homosexual marriage will never be anything more than another privilege garnered by the richest among us. Homosexual marriage is like an affirmative action program for white males. Marriage is the first and will be the last sacred integration of male and female. Give me the civil right to honor this universal sacrament. Homosexuals have no tradition here, no holy honor to restore.

Lord, keep me safe from predation and let the wolves eat themselves. AMEN
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I go on the record, as a Canadian, when I say that things are far from “fine” up here… 😦

Love between two adults is indeed beautiful (since Christ calls us to love everyone) but sodomy is not love. Sodomy is actually the furthest from love since you are cutting yourself and your partner off from God (how could it be loving to possibly send the soul of the person you care about to hell through immoral actions?)
Lots of heterosexuals who are happily married partake in a myriad of sexual activities that are both consensual and enjoyable for the people.

You believe that certain types of consenting sexual activities between adults is terrible.

Many disagree with you.
 
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