how not to be poor

[royal_archer]

Sorry if I am starving and don’t have the material means to fix that all the spiritual wealth in existance is not going to mean a thing to me when I’m delerious from my blood sugar botteming out, with a headache to top if off. If I have a migraine from starving and I am dizzy from an empty stomach , all I’m thinking about is food till that problem is fixed.

Yep, been there and done that.

But nearly everyone can pull them selves up to a living existence if they are willing to work. And there are more than enough institutions and programs for helping those who are unable to be contributing members of society.

 

[cynic]

If everyone followed that definition of the bare minimum we would be a lot better off.

Requiring a significant, continuous amount of uncompensated overtime from a wage earner is basically theft. It’s no different than an employee slacking off during work hours. You are getting something for nothing.

 

[cynic]

If you are not happy with this line of work have you ever considered it a sign that you should be doing something else?

Repitition is inherent in most jobs. Think all the work that involve little intellectual or emotional gratification. Who is going to do them if everyone is obliged to be “happy” in their work? The implication is that if you aren’t, you are either a) lazy b) have failed to find a calling. There’s no allowance for people who think of work as just a neccessity. They must be inadequate somehow…

 

[cynic]

If you are not happy with this line of work have you ever considered it a sign that you should be doing something else?

Think all the work that involves little intellectual or emotional gratification. Who is going to do it if everyone is obliged to be happy?
You’re elevating repetitive tasks to the level of religion, as if life were a choice between 100% job or 100% failure.

 

[rtconstant]

It’s not an either or situation. You have to be open to accepting the work you are qualified for and then you have to give it your all.
If you are going down a dead end road it doesn’t matter how much you push on the throttle. If you are on the right path it doesn’t help if you don’t hit the gas. So you hit the gas and when you realize you are on a dead end road you have to change directions

Wait, I thought we were all qualified for any position we wanted? That position just may not be the one God wants for us.

And exactly where do you go? Its not like there is really all that much difference between corporations. They follow very similar models, and philosophies. The system is sick, not just one or two companies. Our corporate culture focuses on greed. You can only feed evil so long before you suffer consequences.

I didn’t say that I think EVERYTHING is fine. I just feel more government regulation will make things worse.

I realize this is a view that is shared by many, but I often wonder what it is based on? After all, in the US it was government intervention that stopped: slavery, child labor, workers from boing fired because they got sick, the minimum wage, breaks based hours worked, overtime for excessive hours, environmental precautions, worker safety mandates, and defends competition. Why were all of these laws put in place? Because American businesses, demonstrated they could not be trusted to do it on their own. While I agree the government screws up a lot of things, their track record is still better than that of American business. Which is truly sad.

maybe that’s because you hit your glass ceiling.

I would say it has more to do with a general insanity that is prevailing in American business culture. Also, I personally have more growth potential now than I ever have, in terms of promotions and such.

That is what the military goes through. The difference is when they get a call in the night telling them to report immediately they may never come home.

Yes, people in the military put their lives on the line. Other than tugging at patriotic heart strings however, I don’t see what that has to do with what we’re talking about.

If you are not happy with this line of work have you ever considered it a sign that you should be doing something else?

And go to another company to experience the same thing? Not really all that practical. Also I tend to not be one for sticking my head in the sand. If American corporations keep heading down the path their going without restraint they’ll take the rest of us down with them.

 

[Athanasiy]

In my opinion , to be poor in the richest country in the world is simply unacceptable , it is some thing wrong with the system then.
I am very much regret that capitalism in my country is the American type of capitalism.
I would preffer the European type of capitalism.
Yes ! In the West Europe there are poor , but at least they are protected socially.
There is the medical care , there is an access to education .

 

[Athanasiy]

I would address this question to the ollegarchs who instead of investing in the peoples businesses , factories , social projects , investing the money in the luxury reasorts , offshore tax havens , luxuries villas abroad …
How the parasitical owners of parasitical capital instead of rebuilding their own countries investing money in the Swiss bank accounts or into ‘’foregn villas , yachts , cars , and other pleasures .
Well , actually may be I do not have the moral right to question them.
They have the right to do with their money what they wont .
I would probably ask this question to the system , to the system of ‘‘olegarchic capitalism’’ how not to be poor ?
How , instead of hundred of millioners to have the million of owners , or instead of ollegarchic capitalism to have the peoples capitalism , how instead of very rich and very poor to have the middle class of people , who do not permit themselves , to call themselves - poor.

 

[royal_archer]

Requiring a significant, continuous amount of uncompensated overtime from a wage earner is basically theft. It’s no different than an employee slacking off during work hours. You are getting something for nothing.

It’s been my experiencd that those who put in the extra hours un comp get reimburesed through promotions, opportunities, and pay raises.

 

[royal_archer]

Think all the work that involves little intellectual or emotional gratification. Who is going to do it if everyone is obliged to be happy?
You’re elevating repetitive tasks to the level of religion, as if life were a choice between 100% job or 100% failure.

Yes, we do need people to do medial tasks. but that does not stop people from pursueing new jobs. sometimes a new medial task is refreshing and enjoyable for a period of time. There are also medial tasks that seem boring to one person but interesting to another.

I don’t understand what point you are trying to make with your religion reference.

 

[royal_archer]

Wait, I thought we were all qualified for any position we wanted? That position just may not be the one God wants for us.

I didn’t say “ANY” position, I identified a specific position and choose that position because of the vast span between being technically qualified and being able to make a decent living at it.

And exactly where do you go? Its not like there is really all that much difference between corporations. They follow very similar models, and philosophies. The system is sick, not just one or two companies. Our corporate culture focuses on greed. You can only feed evil so long before you suffer consequences.

Have you looked at small businesses or at starting your own business? Don’t look to corporations to solve your problems for you.

I realize this is a view that is shared by many, but I often wonder what it is based on? After all, in the US it was government intervention that stopped: slavery, child labor, workers from boing fired because they got sick, the minimum wage, breaks based hours worked, overtime for excessive hours, environmental precautions, worker safety mandates, and defends competition. Why were all of these laws put in place? Because American businesses, demonstrated they could not be trusted to do it on their own. While I agree the government screws up a lot of things, their track record is still better than that of American business. Which is truly sad.

However they have buried companies in administrative bull and have forced many companies to close down and move overseas. By the way we still do have child labor, people can be fired for getting sick, minimum wage only applies in some occupations, paid overtime is only for certain workers, etc.etc.etc.

I would say it has more to do with a general insanity that is prevailing in American business culture. Also, I personally have more growth potential now than I ever have, in terms of promotions and such.

So you agree that there are opportunities out there if people are willing to take them.

Yes, people in the military put their lives on the line. Other than tugging at patriotic heart strings however, I don’t see what that has to do with what we’re talking about.

Just putting your comment about being on call in perspective

And go to another company to experience the same thing? Not really all that practical. Also I tend to not be one for sticking my head in the sand. If American corporations keep heading down the path their going without restraint they’ll take the rest of us down with them.

Once again, you do not have to work for a corporation.

 

[royal_archer]

In my opinion , to be poor in the richest country in the world is simply unacceptable , it is some thing wrong with the system then.
I am very much regret that capitalism in my country is the American type of capitalism.
I would preffer the European type of capitalism.
Yes ! In the West Europe there are poor , but at least they are protected socially.
There is the medical care , there is an access to education .

It si funny how many people praise the ecconomic conditions in Europe but so few people are willing to leave the States to go there.

 

[royal_archer]

I would address this question to the ollegarchs who instead of investing in the peoples businesses , factories , social projects , investing the money in the luxury reasorts , offshore tax havens , luxuries villas abroad …
How the parasitical owners of parasitical capital instead of rebuilding their own countries investing money in the Swiss bank accounts or into ‘’foregn villas , yachts , cars , and other pleasures .
Well , actually may be I do not have the moral right to question them.
They have the right to do with their money what they wont .
I would probably ask this question to the system , to the system of ‘‘olegarchic capitalism’’ how not to be poor ?
How , instead of hundred of millioners to have the million of owners , or instead of ollegarchic capitalism to have the peoples capitalism , how instead of very rich and very poor to have the middle class of people , who do not permit themselves , to call themselves - poor.

With exception of the severly handicapped there is no reason anyone should not be able to pull themselves out of poverty here in a country where everyone gets a free education and the opportunity to serve their country if they do not get a job right off the bat.

 

[jmcrae]

It’s been my experiencd that those who put in the extra hours un comp get reimburesed through promotions, opportunities, and pay raises.

They are more likely to keep you if they’re footing the bill for your extra training, I’ve noticed, whereas those who get extra training on their own are assumed to be getting ready to quit and move on - so instead of getting a promotion, they get laid off, instead.

So, if you’re getting extra training, make sure the company is paying for it.

 

[royal_archer]

They are more likely to keep you if they’re footing the bill for your extra training, I’ve noticed, whereas those who get extra training on their own are assumed to be getting ready to quit and move on - so instead of getting a promotion, they get laid off, instead.

So, if you’re getting extra training, make sure the company is paying for it.

Never heard that before but you may be on to something. Although subtle hints that you may be thinking about leaving can sometimes get you a raise, but it is a very risky approach.

 

[aspawloski4th]

It si funny how many people praise the ecconomic conditions in Europe but so few people are willing to leave the States to go there.

My not wanting to live in Europe has nothing to do with the economic systems there. It’s the fact that driving is a privelige for a scant few. I like my freedom of movement very much and value it more than I even value health.

 

[cynic]

It’s been my experiencd that those who put in the extra hours un comp get reimburesed through promotions, opportunities, and pay raises.

Incentives like that can be used to demand free labour from everyone. Fail to comply with the manager’s increasingly regular and/or unreasonable demands for unpaid hours and you’re either out the door, or you’ll go nowhere. There’s also the question of where should the line be drawn. For example if most employees were to routinely work unpaid from 5:30 till 7:00, then only those who stay till 8:00 will stand out for promotion.

 

[rtconstant]

I didn’t say “ANY” position, I identified a specific position and choose that position because of the vast span between being technically qualified and being able to make a decent living at it.

Probably not the best example given that it is a position in which very few are qualified to have, and most could never be qualified to have regardless of effort.

Have you looked at small businesses or at starting your own business? Don’t look to corporations to solve your problems for you.

Yeah, I have. And I’m not really all that worried about me. I’m thinking of the damage they’re doing to the country, and their lack of concern for the human element.

However they have buried companies in administrative bull and have forced many companies to close down and move overseas. By the way we still do have child labor, people can be fired for getting sick, minimum wage only applies in some occupations, paid overtime is only for certain workers, etc.etc.etc.

In terms of administrative bull, companies produce enough of that on their own. They really can’t get mad at the government about that. Also no, the government hasn’t forced anyone overseas, the companies chose to go overseas, and want to go overseas. They’re the one fighting to keep the legislation in place to do it. So sorry they’re not victims here. The fact that child labor still exists and and injustice workers still exists doesn’t really help your argument. It means that despite the governments efforts companies will fight tooth and nail to do the wrong thing.

So you agree that there are opportunities out there if people are willing to take them.

I think I’m blessed to have opportunities that others haven’t had.

Just putting your comment about being on call in perspective

Not sure why you felt you needed to do so. I was just stating the realities of corporate employment. Wasn’t trying to compare it to anything.

Once again, you do not have to work for a corporation.

That’s true I could work for less someplace else, but I have people I’m responsible for so I buck up and go for the money for their sake. It doesn’t mean I have to bury my head in the sand and ignore what’s around me though.

 

[rtconstant]

It’s been my experiencd that those who put in the extra hours un comp get reimburesed through promotions, opportunities, and pay raises.

Maybe on TV. But in the real world extra hours are not optional. They’re minimum requirements for continued employment.

 

[rtconstant]

It si funny how many people praise the ecconomic conditions in Europe but so few people are willing to leave the States to go there.

I think that maybe the current mercenary mentality of the work place has clouded your vision here. Leaving ones nation isn’t like buying a newspaper. People don’t leave their home casually. I live in the US and I love it here, but its not because I think we do everything the best. Its my home.

If your curious though, Ireland at least is a pretty good place to live. Moving there permanently wouldn’t impact my lifestyle any. I’d probably save more money there, but its not where my family is, its not where my friends are, and its not where my roots are.

 

[Athanasiy]

There will be some changes in West European countries for the worst of course . ( Thanks be to the certain bankers who originated the world economic crisis )

But , if there will be changes which will reflect on the health care and access to education , than - its a pitty .

The worst thing is that some very emotional nationalistic or '‘nazi’'parties are coming to the power.
And their target will be the most innocent people - the emigrants , the religious minorities , who already suffer very severy persecutions .
Mostly I mean the illegal emigrants who are out of the framework as a society.
The illigal emigrants , whose guilt is that they were born in poor countries and came to search for the better life in richer countries .
They are the por ones , who can not dream about education , health care , proper job , police protection.
Its a time like this , some one has to be guilty , and the guilty are the most innocent people , with the label of ‘‘terrorists’’ and ‘‘criminals’’.