how not to be poor

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I never had that happen, nor have I ever seen that happen outside of fiscal layoffs where they purge the least productive workers first.
And once again, you live in a different world than the rest of us do. Here in the real world, if you aren’t putting in the same amount of free overtime as your co-worker, then you will be replaced with someone who will.
 
If you agreed to $15.00 an hour and you work a ten hour day, you have legitimately earned $150.00 for that day’s work - not $120.00 plus the remote possibility of maybe some day being looked at for a promotion.
If you agree to pay someone for eight hours and they donate 10 you should only have to pay them for eight. An employee doing what you are proposing is the equivalent of what was known in the phone industry as “slamming”. That was when the service provider added on a bunch of unwanted services and tried to force the customer into paying for them.
 
If you agree to pay someone for eight hours and they donate 10 you should only have to pay them for eight.
In which case, they should be allowed to go home after the 8 hours is up, instead of being required to stay for another two hours for which they will not get paid.
 
And once again, you live in a different world than the rest of us do. Here in the real world, if you aren’t putting in the same amount of free overtime as your co-worker, then you will be replaced with someone who will.
Most of the foremen I know would be thrilled to get 8 hours a day out of their staff.

Although I have heard seen what you are talking about. Back when I was a young manager, I had a vetteran employee and a very new employee. The new employee was an empty nester who loved their job and enjoyed working late. in their previous job they worked 12 hour days and found 10 hour days very satisfying and relaxing… The veteran employee was not advancing and was upset about it and claimed it was unfair that I was letting the other employee work later, giving the new employee an unfair advantage for promotion. After HR got involved, I was forced to discipline the new employee for working to much. That employee was insulted and eventually quit. It still bothers me that the veteran employee wanted to bring everyone elses productivity down to their level so they would have a better chance of competing for a promotion. And, it is one of the many reasons I enjoy not being in management:D
 
In which case, they should be allowed to go home after the 8 hours is up, instead of being required to stay for another two hours for which they will not get paid.
yeah, duhh.:confused:

No one is advocating forced labor that is not compensated.

What I have been advocating is that out performing your peers is a good way to get noticed and promoted. It is also a good way to get experience outside your normal work area.
 
In which case, they should be allowed to go home after the 8 hours is up, instead of being required to stay for another two hours for which they will not get paid.
Requiring hourly classified workers to work off the clock is a federal felony, and rightfully so. If a worker is not on the clock when injured on the job there is no way to prove work caused that injury.
 
yeah, duhh.:confused:

No one is advocating forced labor that is not compensated.

What I have been advocating is that out performing your peers is a good way to get noticed and promoted. It is also a good way to get experience outside your normal work area.
I out perform while on the clock. Work’s time is work’s time. My time is my time. Because of my upbringing ,I live a very scheduled non spontainious life. No one but no one dare throw a money wrench into my schedule.
 
I out perform while on the clock. Work’s time is work’s time. My time is my time. Because of my upbringing ,I live a very scheduled non spontainious life. No one but no one dare throw a money wrench into my schedule.
If that has worked for you, keep it up.
 
So Derek Jeter should be able to go to the Yankees and demand a few more million because they are having a good year?
I don’t have a problem with it. Of course just like the rest of us, he’s not likely to get it, regardless of how well he did. But yeah he’s got an argument. Course I had in mind those who are having a problem making ends meet.
Should the waitress at a restraunt be able to up your bill because the prices advertised don’t meet her needs?
No, but she does have the right ask for better pay, and honestly waitresses really should be paid more. That whole pay them less because they get tips thing is a cop out.
 
I never had that happen, nor have I ever seen that happen outside of fiscal layoffs where they purge the least productive workers first.
Oh it happens, and layoffs usually have more to do with current salary or seniority. To be honest I’ve never even heard of layoffs based on merit, and every company, other than my current one has had layoffs.
 
yeah, duhh.:confused:

No one is advocating forced labor that is not compensated.

What I have been advocating is that out performing your peers is a good way to get noticed and promoted. It is also a good way to get experience outside your normal work area.
What you were suggesting is that people should work for free in order to “earn” a promotion. People should be able to earn promotions without selling themselves into the slave labour market.

The point brought up about insurance is a good one, too - how can an employer claim insurance on employees who are not even supposed to be present at the work site, if an accident occurs? The employee who is staying late to earn brownie points might instead be earning his employer a really expensive trip to the lawyer’s office.
 
What you were suggesting is that people should work for free in order to “earn” a promotion. People should be able to earn promotions without selling themselves into the slave labour market.

The point brought up about insurance is a good one, too - how can an employer claim insurance on employees who are not even supposed to be present at the work site, if an accident occurs? The employee who is staying late to earn brownie points might instead be earning his employer a really expensive trip to the lawyer’s office.
Thanks to Obama and income taxes I don’t get paid for about 30% of the work I do. Do you agree that that is slavery also?
 
Thanks to Obama and income taxes I don’t get paid for about 30% of the work I do. Do you agree that that is slavery also?
Thats a fair coparison, if you also incluse you state’s and city’s income tax too. Lets be fair here and not pick on one party involved.
 
Thanks to Obama and income taxes I don’t get paid for about 30% of the work I do. Do you agree that that is slavery also?
More like “feudalism.” Although, to be fair, the feudal lords only demanded 10% of income in taxes. I don’t mind paying taxes when I am getting a return on investment (homeless people are not cluttering up my yard; they are safely taken care of indoors someplace safe; the roads are clean and paved, and the nice policeman is taking prowlers away before they have a chance to menace anyone’s property or persons) but when I’m paying taxes and stepping over homeless people, and the roads need work, and there’s crime in my community, then I perceive a problem, for sure. A different problem than the problem of employees never receiving any wages at all (nor having to pay any taxes on them, either, one would hope.)
 
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