How our experiences could have location when soul has no location?

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That is the proof if you think about it deeply. šŸ¤·
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If you canā€™t prove it ā€“ that is, if you can only repeat the assertion over and over ā€“ then all you have is an unattributed claim. ā€œThinking deeply about itā€ isnā€™t the same as demonstrating that itā€™s true. Sorry.
 
Gorgias said:
If you canā€™t prove it ā€“ that is, if you can only repeat the assertion over and over ā€“ then all you have is an unattributed claim. ā€œThinking deeply about itā€ isnā€™t the same as demonstrating that itā€™s true. Sorry.
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That was a proof but let me attack it in another way: Do you agree that God is causally related to everything because He is non-local? If yes, then what is the difference between God and soul considering the fact that both are non-local?
 
STT said:
That was a proof but let me attack it in another way: Do you agree that God is causally related to everything because He is non-local? If yes, then what is the difference between God and soul considering the fact that both are non-local?
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God is related to everything because He brings it into being, every place and every time.
He creates all locations wherever and whenever they are.
We are like God, having a relational nature and in our capacity to make ourselves what we will, given our circumstances. Our soul is localized at any particular time and place, and at least while we are in life, does not encompass the totality of our lives.
God is in all time and space, within each moment and encompassing all.
 
STT said:
That was a proof but let me attack it in another way: Do you agree that God is causally related to everything because He is non-local? If yes, then what is the difference between God and soul considering the fact that both are non-local?
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Ahhā€¦ perfect approach! This may help us resolve our dilemma!

No, I donā€™t agree that God is causally related to everything because He is non-local! I say that God is causally related to everything because He is God! In other words, itā€™s not His Simplicity, or His essence as Spirit (both of which give rise to ā€˜non-localityā€™); rather, itā€™s simply that He is Creator, and as such, He is causally related to His creation.

On the other hand, other spiritual entities (e.g., angels, the souls of the faithful departed, etc) are also ā€˜non-localā€™ā€¦ but they are not causally related to creation.

The difference between God and other spiritual entities is that God has the characteristics of God (omnipresence, omnibenevolence, omnipotence), and other spiritual entities do not have these characteristics (since theyā€™re not God!).
 
STT said:
But soul is immaterial. Isnā€™t it?
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Just because it is only Spiritual would not mean it is immaterial. Unless you are saying because it is immaterial because it is not physical.

But I believe that although it is not physical it still has a physical response, by leading the heart with help from the brain I guess.šŸ˜ƒ
 
STT said:
That was a proof but let me attack it in another way: Do you agree that God is causally related to everything because He is non-local? If yes, then what is the difference between God and soul considering the fact that both are non-local?
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If I may there is no difference between God and Soul. God is human and Divine.
 
Aloysium said:
God is related to everything because He brings it into being, every place and every time.
He creates all locations wherever and whenever they are.
We are like God, having a relational nature and in our capacity to make ourselves what we will, given our circumstances. Our soul is localized at any particular time and place, and at least while we are in life, does not encompass the totality of our lives.
God is in all time and space, within each moment and encompassing all.
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Soul is not physical therefore it cannot have a location in time and space. We are however located in specific time and space therefore soul cannot exist.
 
Gorgias said:
Ahhā€¦ perfect approach! This may help us resolve our dilemma!

No, I donā€™t agree that God is causally related to everything because He is non-local! I say that God is causally related to everything because He is God! In other words, itā€™s not His Simplicity, or His essence as Spirit (both of which give rise to ā€˜non-localityā€™); rather, itā€™s simply that He is Creator, and as such, He is causally related to His creation.

On the other hand, other spiritual entities (e.g., angels, the souls of the faithful departed, etc) are also ā€˜non-localā€™ā€¦ but they are not causally related to creation.

The difference between God and other spiritual entities is that God has the characteristics of God (omnipresence, omnibenevolence, omnipotence), and other spiritual entities do not have these characteristics (since theyā€™re not God!).
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I am sorry but I cannot help it any more. God is God and soul is soul. That is not a good way to engage to a discussion.
 
STT said:
I donā€™t understand how what you said is related to our discussion.
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Jesus was human and Divine. At the moment of his death he went to hades and released the souls being held in hades. You soul is a Spiritual part of your body.

Why does your Spirit have to have a location?
 
STT said:
Soul is not physical therefore it cannot have a location in time and space. We are however located in specific time and space therefore soul cannot exist.
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Then you are in direct conflict with God. Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed Man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and Man became a living SOUL.
 
STT said:
So soul in your opinion is material?

I donā€™t understand your sentence here.

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the word immaterial has 2 meanings. Immaterial could mean Spiritual. so is the soul Immaterial the answer could be yes.

The word immaterial could also mean has no meaning, not important. So I said it could be said the Soul is immaterial because it is Spiritual.

But it could not be correct to say because the soul is is Spiritual it is immaterial, which would mean it is not important.

That is what I was saying.

But just because something cannot have a location, by no means can make it unimportant.
 
STT said:
I am sorry but I cannot help it any more. God is God and soul is soul. That is not a good way to engage to a discussion.
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How can you separate body and soul by saying God is God, soul is soul? Do you deny that Jesus was body and soul? Do you deny Jesus is God? Then please explain your quote
 
STT said:
Soul is not physical therefore it cannot have a location in time and space. We are however located in specific time and space therefore soul cannot exist.
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It is because we have a soul that we are located in a specific time and place. Otherwise there would be just universe.
 
rinnie said:
Jesus was human and Divine. At the moment of his death he went to hades and released the souls being held in hades.
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I see.
rinnie said:
You soul is a Spiritual part of your body.
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That is the subject of discussion whether there is any soul at all.
rinnie said:
Why does your Spirit have to have a location?
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I donā€™t say that. I say that soul has no location so it should be causally related to everything (accepting the fact that a non-local entity can causally related to anything at all) since all points in space are equivalence to it. One can experience everything and can affect everything once you accept that that soul is non-local. This is of course not the case therefore soul does not exist.
 
rinnie said:
How can you separate body and soul by saying God is God, soul is soul? Do you deny that Jesus was body and soul? Do you deny Jesus is God? Then please explain your quote
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That was not what I meant. I meant that we have to accept some facts in a discussion in order to proceed otherwise we cannot conclude and understand anything. I was arguing that God is non-local and that is the reason that He could be casually related to everything and he said that that is true because God is God, the creator. That leaves no room for discussion anymore.
 
Aloysium said:
It is because we have a soul that we are located in a specific time and place. Otherwise there would be just universe.
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That is exactly the problem. Why bother and call soul immaterial if it has a location in time and space? Soul is also casually related to body so why not call it some sort of matter?
 
STT said:
That is exactly the problem. Why bother and call soul immaterial if it has a location in time and space? Soul is also casually related to body so why not call it some sort of matter?
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. . . because it would just be part of everything else - another veggie in a cosmic minestrone. We exist in relation to what is other to ourselves. This relational nature requires/contains a physical body in order to participate in the physical universe.
 
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