How Relevant Is Our Lady Of Fatima Today ?

[Seamus_L]

Outside of traditional Catholic parishes I almost never hear mention of Our Lady Of Fatima anymore. During the height of the Cold War this was one of our most popular devotions, but since the breakup of the Soviet Union how is it still relevant ?

 

[Brenda_V]

She is as relevant as ever. Just want to point out though that I get the feeling that it depends on where you are as to which “Our Lady” is in the forefront of your Church.

Mostly I heard about Bernadette and Our Lady and Our Lady of Guadalupe, not so much about Fatima. I have lived the majority of my life in the Southwest US even though I spent parts of it in Europe so, Our Lady of Guadalupe makes sense .

Brenda V.

 

[marymonde]

Our Lady of Fatima said Russia would spread her errors, and she has. The Holy Father is addressing the spread of atheism and linking it to the problems in the world today with Karl Marx. This is very unusual for a post-Vatican II pope to make such a statement. I am sure he will receive some sort of backlash from within the Vatican for saying what he did. The message of Fatima is very relevent.

abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=3935043

In the 76-page document, Benedict elaborates on how the Christian understanding of hope had changed in the modern age, when man sought to relieve the suffering and injustice around him. Benedict points to two historical upheavals: the French Revolution and the proletarian revolution instigated by Karl Marx.

Benedict sharply criticizes Marx and the 19th and 20th century atheism spawned by his revolution, although he acknowledges that both were responding to the deep injustices of the time.

“A world marked by so much injustice, innocent suffering and cynicism of power cannot be the work of a good God,” he wrote. But he said the idea that man can do what God cannot by creating a new salvation on Earth was “both presumptuous and intrinsically false.”

"It is no accident that this idea has led to the greatest forms of cruelty and violations of justice," he wrote. "A world which has to create its own justice is a world without hope."

 

[stmaria]

She is as relevant as ever. Just want to point out though that I get the feeling that it depends on where you are as to which “Our Lady” is in the forefront of your Church.

Mostly I heard about Bernadette and Our Lady and Our Lady of Guadalupe, not so much about Fatima. I have lived the majority of my life in the Southwest US even though I spent parts of it in Europe so, Our Lady of Guadalupe makes sense .

Brenda V.

I don’t believe Fatima is revelant at all.
I attended the New Mass for over 30 years and not once did I hear a sermon on Fatima. I have been going to the Traditional Mass for two years and I have heard a 20 minute sermon on Fatima on every anniversary of the appraition.

 

[marymonde]

I don’t believe Fatima is revelant at all.
I attended the New Mass for over 30 years and not once did I hear a sermon on Fatima. I have been going to the Traditional Mass for two years and I have heard a 20 minute sermon on Fatima on every anniversary of the appraition.

I don’t comprehend how an approved appartion of Our Lady is no longer relevent when the message is the conversion of sinners, praying, fasting, and offering sacrifices. The message is timeless.

 

[stmaria]

I don’t comprehend how an approved appartion of Our Lady is no longer relevent when the message is the conversion of sinners, praying, fasting, and offering sacrifices. The message is timeless.

How many times have you heard a sermon on Fatima? If you go to a Traditional Mass I am sure you have heard it many times. I don’t know why that is. I have to believe it is because the seminaries that train traditional priests are vastly different than those that train priests for the Ordinary Form of the Mass.

 

[DustinsDad]

I don’t comprehend how an approved appartion of Our Lady is no longer relevent when the message is the conversion of sinners, praying, fasting, and offering sacrifices. The message is timeless.

That is because in the typical OF parish, there is no real concept of sin, prayer amounts to thanking God that we are all going to heaven no-matter-what, fasting is a thing of the past, and sacrifice…what’s that?

DustinsDad

 

[childofmary1143]

I don’t believe Fatima is revelant at all.
I attended the New Mass for over 30 years and not once did I hear a sermon on Fatima. I have been going to the Traditional Mass for two years and I have heard a 20 minute sermon on Fatima on every anniversary of the appraition.

I haven’t heard one sermon on Fatima at all however that doesn’t mean its irrelevant. It just means Priests are not talking about it.

Probably one of the reasons today it isn’t talked about is because many people believe that the Consecration of Russia has been done.

 

[paramedicgirl]

That is because in the typical OF parish, there is no real concept of sin, prayer amounts to thanking God that we are all going to heaven no-matter-what, fasting is a thing of the past, and sacrifice…what’s that?

DustinsDad

Ditto for what DD said. The message of Fatima is just too hard a doctrine for today’s Catholics to swallow.

 

[stmaria]

I haven’t heard one sermon on Fatima at all however that doesn’t mean its irrelevant

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But why haven’t you heard ONE sermon on it. I am sure you have heard sermons on love your neighbor, set a good example, be like Christ, God loves everyone, etc.

It just means Priests are not talking about it.

 

[marymonde]

How many times have you heard a sermon on Fatima? If you go to a Traditional Mass I am sure you have heard it many times. I don’t know why that is. I have to believe it is because the seminaries that train traditional priests are vastly different than those that train priests for the Ordinary Form of the Mass.

What you are saying here is clearer to me than your first post. You’re saying the clergy does not attach any relevence to it, but the message is relevent. And your right, when I went to the Novus Ordo mass years ago the priest was talking about Marian apparitions and he had EVERYTHING messed up. He associated St. Bernadette with Fatima, Lourdes with a different visionary. It was so sad, he honestly had no idea what he was talking about.

 

[Brenda_V]

I don’t believe Fatima is revelant at all.
I attended the New Mass for over 30 years and not once did I hear a sermon on Fatima. I have been going to the Traditional Mass for two years and I have heard a 20 minute sermon on Fatima on every anniversary of the appraition.

No sermons on any of the approved apparitions have I ever heard but I have heard many a homily at an OF Mass that references them but not entire homilies on the subject.

I have yet to attend a Mass on the Anniversary of said apparition unless it fell on a Sunday and then here, the feast day of OL of Fatima does not supercede the regular Sunday readings and hence the homily that is preached.

I will repeat what I said before, the message of Fatima is still relevant but does not need to be preached in a homily. I have seen it discussed here on the CAF as well as on an e-mail listserv I am part of. I have also heard it referenced in homilies.

As a matter of fact I have heard more references to Fatima in homilies now then I did when the cold war was going on.

Brenda V.

 

[marymonde]

Ditto for what DD said. The message of Fatima is just too hard a doctrine for today’s Catholics to swallow.

I live across the street from a Novus Ordo parish. I would give the former pastor info on the effects of sin, literature against the Pill, etc. to give to his parishoners. He flat out told me he would have a riot and no one would come to mass anymore if he preached on sin. Here’s the kicker, when I talked one on one with him, he was VERY orthodox and knew his faith quite well, he was just afraid to preach it.

I don’t know, I believe if he preached on the message of Fatima, his Church would have been full. Our Lady would have showered his parish with many graces and the people would start coming back to the confessional and sinned less.

 

[snowfly]

I don’t comprehend how an approved appartion of Our Lady is no longer relevent when the message is the conversion of sinners, praying, fasting, and offering sacrifices. The message is timeless.

It is still relevant, as is the Devotion the Five First Saturdays.

Have the things below stopped , IE; the mockery of the mother of Jesus, I don’t think so, has abortion stopped ?

And it was Russia that legalized abortion in 1921.

1.attacks upon Mary’s Immaculate Conception…still happening.
2.attacks against her Perpetual Virginity…still happening.
3.attacks upon her Divine Maternity and the refusal to accept her as the Mother of all mankind…still happening.
4.for those who try to publicly implant in children’s hearts indifference, contempt and even hatred of this Immaculate Mother…still happening.
5.for those who insult her directly in her sacred images…still happening.

The first Saturdays were to make reparation for offences against the mother of Jesus.

Saying Fatima isn’t relevant anymore is a bit like saying prayer isn’t necessary.

 

[stmaria]

I live across the street from a Novus Ordo parish. I would give the former pastor info on the effects of sin, literature against the Pill, etc. to give to his parishoners. He flat out told me he would have a riot and no one would come to mass anymore if he preached on sin. Here’s the kicker, when I talked one on one with him, he was VERY orthodox and knew his faith quite well, he was just afraid to preach it.

I don’t know, I believe if he preached on the message of Fatima, his Church would have been full. Our Lady would have showered his parish with many graces and the people would start coming back to the confessional and sinned less.

I agree with you. If the message of Fatima and the tradtional teachings of the Church were talked about in the homilies { or sermons I would hope] and not so much on scripture the Churches would be full for Sunday Mass as well as the confessional for those that seem to miss Mass every other Sunday yet go to communion.
That is why the sermons at the Traditional Mass are so different. The priest is not “tied” to the Gospel reading of the day. He can actually “instruct” the faithful which is his duty as pastor.

 

[stmaria]

It is still relevant, as is the Devotion the Five First Saturdays.

The first Saturdays were to make reparation for offences against the mother of Jesus.

Saying Fatima isn’t relevant anymore is a bit like saying prayer isn’t necessary.

It is revelant but only to a very few devout Catholics and only to a few priests. How many Catholics even KNOW about the “Five First Saturdays?”
How many even pray the rosary?

 

[snowfly]

It is revelant but only to a very few devout Catholics and only to a few priests. How many Catholics even KNOW about the “Five First Saturdays?”
How many even pray the rosary?

Not knowing about it would make it non- relevant for those people, for those that do and practice the devotion it still is.

 

[He_Man]

How many times have you heard a sermon on Fatima? If you go to a Traditional Mass I am sure you have heard it many times. I don’t know why that is. I have to believe it is because the seminaries that train traditional priests are vastly different than those that train priests for the Ordinary Form of the Mass.

I have been alive for 32 years, and can remember traditional masses for about 29 of those, and I rarely hear homilies about the problems with atheism, abortion, euthanasia, cloning, fetal stem cell research, homsexuality, adultery, lust, the reality of Hell, mortal sin’s existence, and the threat of Islam.

Are we to assume none of those are relevant anymore either?

Perhaps it is because

A) most Priests stick to the days readings to literally at times

B) homilies are retread often and canned and

C) It is easier and more tolerant to give a homily who message is “be nice and love everyone” than “Hell exists, Islam is a dangerous false religion, and those of you who are adulterers risk losing your souls to Hell.”

 

[He_Man]

Not knowing about it would make it non- relevant for those people, for those that do and practice the devotion it still is.

I don’t the relevance of a particuluar message or event is measured by how many people pay attention to it, though.

How rampant is contraception, yet the prohibition is certainly still relevant.

Ignorance and relevance are two diferent things.

 

[stmaria]

He Man;3028723]I have been alive for 32 years, and can remember traditional masses for about 29 of those, and I rarely hear homilies about the problems with atheism, abortion, euthanasia, cloning, fetal stem cell research, homsexuality, adultery, lust, the reality of Hell, mortal sin’s existence, and the threat of Islam.

You have been going to the Traditional Latin Mass for 29 years?