How Relevant Is Our Lady Of Fatima Today ?

[FATIMAisUrgent]

A few thousand communists, anarchists, radical feminists and homosexual rights supporters tried to attack the Pope when he came to Utrecht. One commentator called it the most disasterous visit to a country by a Pope in the Church’s history.

That particular vision may or may not be John Paul II, though my first assumption would be no. However, the “Bishop in white” vision released in 2000 is clearly not John Paul II.

 

[peary]

So if the “era of Fatima” is over because Portugal is now falling into error, then I guess it wouldn’t hurt if the Vatican finally released the remaining words of Our Lady after “In Portugal, the Dogma of the Faith will always be held, etc…”

**That quote goes back to the early memoirs of Sister Lucia. That’s been out in the public since the 1940s.

And just because the secular Portuguese government is passing these types of abominable laws (i.e., abortion) doesn’t mean that the Portuguese aren’t maintaining the purity of their own Faith. **

 

[FATIMAisUrgent]

**That quote goes back to the early memoirs of Sister Lucia. That’s been out in the public since the 1940s.

And just because the secular Portuguese government is passing these types of abominable laws (i.e., abortion) doesn’t mean that the Portuguese aren’t maintaining the purity of their own Faith. **

Sorry I should have put symbol to show my sarcasm. I actually agree with your conclusion.

 

[SLCFranciscan]

I live across the street from a Novus Ordo parish. I would give the former pastor info on the effects of sin, literature against the Pill, etc. to give to his parishoners. He flat out told me he would have a riot and no one would come to mass anymore if he preached on sin. Here’s the kicker, when I talked one on one with him, he was VERY orthodox and knew his faith quite well, he was just afraid to preach it.

I don’t know, I believe if he preached on the message of Fatima, his Church would have been full. Our Lady would have showered his parish with many graces and the people would start coming back to the confessional and sinned less.

This fear of priests to preach the truth is very sad. For years I endured a Novus Ordo parish where the goal was for everybody to “feel good.” Heaven forbid the word “sin” should be mentioned–it might make someone uncomfortable. All of this drove me right into our local SSPX chapel, where I find good, orthodox, and holy priests. And yes, I hear about Fatima frequently–as I (and all people) should.

 

[peary]

This fear of priests to preach the truth is very sad. For years I endured a Novus Ordo parish where the goal was for everybody to “feel good.” Heaven forbid the word “sin” should be mentioned–it might make someone uncomfortable. All of this drove me right into our local SSPX chapel, where I find good, orthodox, and holy priests. And yes, I hear about Fatima frequently–as I (and all people) should.

He doesn’t have to ‘preach’ on Fatima. He can persuade through his homilies on the Gospel readings. He could, of course, teach it as a private devotion in a classroom setting to students if there is a school at the parish, or can invite a speaker in to offer a special ‘retreat’.

 

[palmas85]

How many times have you heard a sermon on Fatima? If you go to a Traditional Mass I am sure you have heard it many times. I don’t know why that is. I have to believe it is because the seminaries that train traditional priests are vastly different than those that train priests for the Ordinary Form of the Mass.

Let us truly hope and pray that they have been, still are and will continue to be so in the future. .

 

[stryglass]

Peace be with you,

SIster Lucia said that Our Lady told her “More souls go to Hell because of the sins of the flesh than for any other reason.” and “Certain fashions are being introduced that offend Our Lord very much.” Seems like that alone would be a good reason for priests to talk about it…

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[SLCFranciscan]

The “sins of the flesh” are many. Shortly before I decided to leave the Novus Ordo for a return to Tradition, I went to mass at my local NO church. One of the eucharistic ministers was a young lady who looked surprisingly like Britney Spears–right down to the hip-hugging levis she wore. Our EM’s did not wear robes, only street clothes. It was mighty disconcerting to see her standing there, trying to push her blouse down into the levis so skin would not be exposed. This is just wrong. I thought to myself then that if I had been a man, I wonder how I could have concentrated on being properly disposed to receive the body and blood of Our Lord. And of course, the NO pastor refused to talk to anyone about their manner of dress (grown men wearing short shorts and t-shirts with beer ads on them in the summer) because he " did not want to offend" anyone. What about being afraid of offending The Lord?

 

[Seamus_L]

Here’s some excerpts from the Chicago Tribune and New York Times regarding John Paul II’s visit to Utrecht in the Netherlands on May 12 1985

CHICAGO TRIBUNE

         VIOLENCE MARS POPE'S DUTCH TRIP

UTRECHT. the Netherlands-Several thousand demonstrators clashed with riot police Sunday while Pope John Paul II listened to a litany of grievances against his administration of the Roman Catholic Church here as representatives of the progressive Dutch church called publicly for sweeping changes in Catholic doctrine and practices.

             The religious challenges came as 3500 demonstrators, including homosexual activists and members of various "punk" communities, clashed with police during a violent demonstration against the Pope half a mile from the convention center where the pontiff was meeting with the dissident church members.

           In the streets of this historic city, riot police dispersed a roving mob of demonstrators with warning shots after a small group of the protesters, who characterized the Pope as a fascist, began hurling rocks and tried to break through a security cordon.

          Police confiscated several gasoline bombs. They said 14 people were arrested and 8 were injured, including 3 police officers.

          Four of those arrested had disrupted police frequencies by stealing police radios and broadcasting a satirical song mocking the Pope, the police said.

        The rioters, who streamed through an area covering nearly six square miles, broke windows in the district court building, the town hall and the Pope's House, named after the only Dutch Pope, Adrian VI who had it built in 1517. John Paul was scheduled to hold an ecumenical meeting there Monday.

       The violence followed a peaceful march by about 10.000 Dutch radicals, feminists and homosexuals also opposed to the Papal visit.

      NEW YORK TIMES

    The demonstrators chanted fierce anti-Pope slogans, some of them obscene, and at one point sang "Kill The Pope !" to the tune of a rock song.

    Demonstrators, most of whom were kept about a half mile away from the Pope, smashed windows, damaged cars and threw rocks, firecrackers and smoke bombs at the police. 

    Demonstrators threw bottles and rocks at the Pope's enclosed car as he drove on a main thoroughfare later in the day. Nothing struck the car as he rode past a generally friendly crowd of several thousand.

                Makes me wonder if this was the fulfillment of Jacinta's August vision ?

 

[AlexV]

I remember well one Saturday, August 6th, when a priest I know celebrated daily Mass…for the Transfiguration, of course, a quite major feast in the Roman Rite.

Although it was a daily Mass, he gave a brief homily on the feast and the liturgy of the day.

After Mass, you would have thought a storm broke out in the church’s narthex. “He didn’t mention Fatima! First Saturday! Sabbatine privilege! The Rosary!”

In other words, a major feast day of their Rite…blah, whatever, ignored. But their private devotions…which are completely SUBORDINATE to the liturgy…that was their focus, their concern.

The liturgy could use more attention from the average Catholic…certainly way ahead of private devotions.

Too many of these private Marian devotions are, frankly, infested with fear. The world ending, Russians and Chinese nuking everyone, suns falling from skies…garden variety millennialism and apocalypticism. Sober study of the liturgy, Mass and Divine Office, is a far better and more productive way to spend time than worrying over which bishop consecrated with country to the Immaculate Heart.

 

[FATIMAisUrgent]

I remember well one Saturday, August 6th, when a priest I know celebrated daily Mass…for the Transfiguration, of course, a quite major feast in the Roman Rite.

Although it was a daily Mass, he gave a brief homily on the feast and the liturgy of the day.

After Mass, you would have thought a storm broke out in the church’s narthex. “He didn’t mention Fatima! First Saturday! Sabbatine privilege! The Rosary!”

In other words, a major feast day of their Rite…blah, whatever, ignored. But their private devotions…which are completely SUBORDINATE to the liturgy…that was their focus, their concern.

The liturgy could use more attention from the average Catholic…certainly way ahead of private devotions.

Too many of these private Marian devotions are, frankly, infested with fear. The world ending, Russians and Chinese nuking everyone, suns falling from skies…garden variety millennialism and apocalypticism. Sober study of the liturgy, Mass and Divine Office, is a far better and more productive way to spend time than worrying over which bishop consecrated with country to the Immaculate Heart.

[Our Lord told Sister Lucy in August 1931:

“Make it known to My ministers that given they follow the example of the King of France in delaying the execution of My command, they will follow him into misfortune …”

Later on, by means of an interior communication, Our Lord further complained:

“They did not want to heed My command. Like the King of France they will repent and do it, but it will be late. Russia will already have spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The Holy Father will have much to suffer!”]

Sounds like this “private devotion” was pretty important to Our Lord. Let’s see what else Our Lord had to say.

[On this point it is worth recalling portions of a letter Sister Lucy wrote in 1936. Responding to a priest’s inquiry about the consecration of Russia, Lucy answered:

"I have spoken to Our Lord about the subject and not too long ago I asked Him why He would not convert Russia without the Holy Father making the consecration. (He replied) ‘Because I want My whole Church to acknowledge that consecration as a triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary so that it may extend its cult later on and put the devotion to the Immaculate Heart beside the devotion to My Sacred Heart.

“‘Pray very much for the Holy Father. He will do it but it will be late … Nevertheless, the Immaculate Heart of Mary will save Russia. It has been entrusted to Her.’”]

Quotes in ] were taken from various issues of the Fatima Crusader.

 

[iceman]

Outside of traditional Catholic parishes I almost never hear mention of Our Lady Of Fatima anymore. During the height of the Cold War this was one of our most popular devotions, but since the breakup of the Soviet Union how is it still relevant ?

As relevant today as it ever was which is very relevant. More will again understand this when we all are rocked from our everyday complacency as world events continue to worsen. One reason so many of us are so complacent is that we rely too heavily on our tightly-controlled media which reveal little of relevance to us on a daily basis on world happenings. Some internet sources are a welcome alternative if care is taken in choosing which to read and believe.
Most of us will not see the major calamity coming until it is upon us and many, maybe most, still will not recognize it nor understand it. This is part the message of Our Lady of Fatima which few, even in the Church, unfortunately, recognize today.

My advise is "don’t confuse the “relevancy” of Our Lady Of Fatima with what little attention is being paid to it within local parishes (unfortunately). A direct message from Our Lord, through His Mother, will never be irrelevant to our lives. Bless all those still working hard, to remind us of this miracle and the importance of its message!

 

[AlexV]

Quotes allegedly from Christ and the Virgin suddenly receive greater interest and attention than the sacred liturgy. Amazing. And exactly the problem many exhibit with respect to these fear mongering devotions and private revelations.

 

[Hesychios]

…** just because the secular Portuguese government is passing these types of abominable laws (i.e., abortion) doesn’t mean that the Portuguese aren’t maintaining the purity of their own Faith. **

…it doesn’t mean they are either, sad to say.

There are devout everywhere, including Portugal, but the nation is not immune to the cultural trends of Europe.

 

[Shiphrae]

Hello everyone

I just read a book entitled ‘Sister Lucia’ by Mark Fellows. According to this author, Lucia was never satisfied that Our Holy Mother Mary’s instructions were fulfilled.

Mary had informed Lucia that the Pope and all the Bishops were to make formal services to consecrate Russia to the Sacred Hearts of Jesus and Mary. Supposedly this was never done.

What is the **truth ** in this issue?

Peace of Christ,
Shiphrae

 

[stmaria]

Quotes allegedly from Christ and the Virgin suddenly receive greater interest and attention than the sacred liturgy. Amazing. And exactly the problem many exhibit with respect to these fear mongering devotions and private revelations.

Why not have both? A sacred, devout liturgy with homilies that TEACH the Cathlic faith and honor that is due to Our Lady. Sad that you would consider the Five First Saturday devotion and the visons of Fatima as "fear mongering ".
In my diocese the feast of the Immaculate Conception on Dec. 8 was abrogated. There was no mass, no recognition at all.
I fear that there is a slow but steady movement to distance the faithful from Mary. I am positive that this is because of ecumenism with Protestants. SInce they hold Mary as nothing special then the Catholic Faithful will slowly but surely be led down that path.

Just look at these photos of the new “Shrine” at Fatima and the terrible looking cross that is outside. This building was designed in the image of a Protestant Church. Was this the best that the Church has to offer to Our Lady?
closedcafeteria.blogspot.com/2007/10/fatima.html

 

[AlexV]

The feast wasn’t “abrogated” in your diocese. The obligation to attend Mass was.

Homilies and sermons should explain the liturgical texts and the day’s feast. Homilies on “Fatima” are actually liturgical inappropriate, except on May 13, when there is an OPTIONAL memorial of the BVM Fatima in the ordinary Roman calendar.

There, too, the focus of the liturgy (if you read the texts) is on the BVM, not her apparition per se.

 

[Sure]

Just look at these photos of the new “Shrine” at Fatima and the terrible looking cross that is outside. This building was designed in the image of a Protestant Church. Was this the best that the Church has to offer to Our Lady?
closedcafeteria.blogspot.com/2007/10/fatima.html

This church has nothing to do with lack of devotion to Our Lady. It has to do with bad ideas of modern architecture that have been plaguing our churches since the 1940’s…this is nothing new.

 

[stmaria]

The feast wasn’t “abrogated” in your diocese. The obligation to attend Mass was.

The word “abrogated” was use by the diocese to explain why there was no Mass, rosary or any kind of devotion on the Feast Day.

Homilies and sermons should explain the liturgical texts and the day’s feast. Homilies on “Fatima” are actually liturgical inappropriate, except on May 13, when there is an OPTIONAL memorial of the BVM Fatima in the ordinary Roman calendar

 

[AlexV]

Actually, I attend only the so-called Tridentine Mass, and no, they don’t talk about “Fatima”, they talk about the day’s liturgy and the texts thereof.