How serious is the 'predator priest' problem?

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How serious is the ‘predator priest’ problem?
By Web Bryant, USA TODAY

The U.S. Catholic Church is still shuddering from the effects of the sexual abuse crisis. Most Catholics are still critical of the church’s handling of the matter, and one in 10 are considering leaving the faith altogether. Some believe that clerical celibacy is at the core of the crisis, while others blame the all-male character of the priesthood. Reading such accounts, though, it’s easy to forget that we have not the slightest idea how serious the abuse problem is among Catholic priests as opposed to other professionals dealing with children.
That statement may sound outrageous — of course Catholic priests have a huge abuse problem! But why do we think that? News stories frequently note similar cases involving members of a wide range of professions, not just clergy of all denominations but also scoutmasters and secular schoolteachers. So how do their rates of abuse compare with those of priests? We have precisely no evidence on the issue.

No reputable scholar has ever conducted a survey of the abuse problem as it affects any other profession, in a way that would allow us to make direct comparisons with the Catholic clergy. If anyone believes that priests offend at a higher rate than teachers or non-celibate clergy, then they should produce the evidence on which they are basing that conclusion. I know of none. Saying “everybody knows” does not constitute scientific methodology.

Beyond question, though, the abuse issue affects non-Catholic settings. Particularly eye-opening is the detailed report on " Educator Sexual Misconduct" that Hofstra University professor Charol Shakeshaft compiled for the U.S. Department of Education in 2004. Among other findings, we read that about 10% of secular school pupils in grades eight to 11 report having been at the receiving end of such sexual misconduct, broadly defined. That does not mean that 10% of teachers misbehave, rather that a tiny number offend frequently, and egregiously: very much the same situation, in fact, as among Catholic priests.

Why, then, do we hear so much about Catholic cases? What is different about the Catholic Church is the manner in which its problems have come to light, and this involves both the nature of the institution itself and the workings of the law. As a result, the church is much more open to civil litigation than any other institution. These lawsuits allow the exposure of numerous cases that would never have surfaced if the perpetrators were not priests.

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How serious is the ‘predator priest’ problem?
By Web Bryant, USA TODAY

The U.S. Catholic Church is still shuddering from the effects of the sexual abuse crisis. Most Catholics are still critical of the church’s handling of the matter, and one in 10 are considering leaving the faith altogether. Some believe that clerical celibacy is at the core of the crisis, while others blame the all-male character of the priesthood. Reading such accounts, though, it’s easy to forget that we have not the slightest idea how serious the abuse problem is among Catholic priests as opposed to other professionals dealing with children.
That statement may sound outrageous — of course Catholic priests have a huge abuse problem! But why do we think that? News stories frequently note similar cases involving members of a wide range of professions, not just clergy of all denominations but also scoutmasters and secular schoolteachers. So how do their rates of abuse compare with those of priests? We have precisely no evidence on the issue.

No reputable scholar has ever conducted a survey of the abuse problem as it affects any other profession, in a way that would allow us to make direct comparisons with the Catholic clergy. If anyone believes that priests offend at a higher rate than teachers or non-celibate clergy, then they should produce the evidence on which they are basing that conclusion. I know of none. Saying “everybody knows” does not constitute scientific methodology.

Beyond question, though, the abuse issue affects non-Catholic settings. Particularly eye-opening is the detailed report on " Educator Sexual Misconduct" that Hofstra University professor Charol Shakeshaft compiled for the U.S. Department of Education in 2004. Among other findings, we read that about 10% of secular school pupils in grades eight to 11 report having been at the receiving end of such sexual misconduct, broadly defined. That does not mean that 10% of teachers misbehave, rather that a tiny number offend frequently, and egregiously: very much the same situation, in fact, as among Catholic priests.

Why, then, do we hear so much about Catholic cases? What is different about the Catholic Church is the manner in which its problems have come to light, and this involves both the nature of the institution itself and the workings of the law. As a result, the church is much more open to civil litigation than any other institution. These lawsuits allow the exposure of numerous cases that would never have surfaced if the perpetrators were not priests.

usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-06-07-column07_ST_N.htm
Very good points, but we have to make sure we’re working with the same definitions. As a teacher, me talking to any student in a room with a closed door and out of sight of any other adult is improper behavior likely to bring serious consequences. If I say yes to a student who wants to meet at a crowded coffee house on Saturday afternoons to discuss the books we’re reading I’m guilty of an improper relationship. I doubt, even today, most would say a priest counseling a teen in private or meeting with a youth to discuss the Bible or Church teachings in a crowded coffee house would say anything improper is going on
 
Very good points, but we have to make sure we’re working with the same definitions. As a teacher, me talking to any student in a room with a closed door and out of sight of any other adult is improper behavior likely to bring serious consequences. If I say yes to a student who wants to meet at a crowded coffee house on Saturday afternoons to discuss the books we’re reading I’m guilty of an improper relationship. I doubt, even today, most would say a priest counseling a teen in private or meeting with a youth to discuss the Bible or Church teachings in a crowded coffee house would say anything improper is going on
Believe me-I am friends with quite a few priests and i don,t know ONE who would meet alone with a child anywhere no matter how many people were around unless it was in the company of his/her parents or in the confessional.Whenever there is a meeting with our priest and our altarboys I am always asked to be present for the priests protection

What a rotten rotten shame caused by the miniscule amount of Judas’ in the priesthood.
 
The essential difference goes back to the cover ups. When other professions learn of an abuser, steps are taken to remove him or her. Priest’s misdeeds were hidden then were exposed in a flood of information. A resulting difficulty is that the hierarchy lost a lot of credibility so many wonder if they are telling the truth now or if denial and avoidance continue. The question posed by the thread is unanswerable with any reasonable degree of certainty.
 
From the USA Today article: “The next time you read an account of an abuse scandal affecting priests, note the time frame in which the acts allegedly occurred. Almost certainly, it will date from long ago, probably 30 years or more. . . . .Perhaps it’s good that such older abuse cases are still coming to light, but the long passage of time makes it very unlikely that the charges can be investigated in a fair or reliable way.”

From the Catholic.net article:

"While the Colorado bill would impose little burden on public schools, it would open a two-year opportunity for plaintiffs’ lawyers to file lawsuits involving allegations of sexual abuse that occurred at any time in history in private organizations. It states specifically that plaintiffs can sue “even though the perpetrator of the offense is deceased or incapacitated.” (emphasis added)
 
One significant reason for different treatment of clergy as compared with public school teachers is that you can only sue the state to the extent that the state constitution permits you to. The state can except itself from certain types of suits, establish thresholds for damages, etc. The big draw for litigators against abusive priests was that you could bundle together many individuals in a class action against a diocese and seek huge judgments/settlements. You can’t bundle together lots of lawsuits against school teachers in the same way, and even if you could, the damages awarded would likely be lower per case.
 
One significant reason for different treatment of clergy as compared with public school teachers is that you can only sue the state to the extent that the state constitution permits you to. The state can except itself from certain types of suits, establish thresholds for damages, etc. The big draw for litigators against abusive priests was that you could bundle together many individuals in a class action against a diocese and seek huge judgments/settlements. You can’t bundle together lots of lawsuits against school teachers in the same way, and even if you could, the damages awarded would likely be lower per case.
Yes, litigation goes where there is money to be had.

Another reason is that Catholic dioceses generally keep good records, and keep them for a long time. And those can be subpoenaed. And in a civil suit, allegations need not be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
When other professions learn of an abuser, steps are taken to remove him or her.
Wish that were always true but I know a teacher in a private school who admitted abusing pre-teen boys. He was fired but then he was given money, driven to a hotel and wished well. He made his way to another city, became a Big Brother with the unsurprising result.
 
The Church has two parallel problems. First is the abuse by rank and file priests. Second is the institutional cover up by an organization that contends it represents God on earth and its bishops are the successors to the apostles.

While we have seen abuse by rank and file members of other professions, we have yet to see the repeated institutional coverup at the highest levels of management.

Unfortunate, but that’s the difference.
 
I don’t think predator priests are that big of a problem. If a priest touches you innapropriately, beat them to a pulp for being a sicko and disgrace to the faith, and then report them to the police and bishop. You get to bash a sicko and prevent them from harming small children, you get money from suing the guy, and you get a sicko excommunicated and put in jail where he deserves 👍.

-Snakemauler
 
The bigger they are the harder they fall. Priests and religious were often held up upon a pedestal high above all other mere mortals. The higher someone is held in estimation then the more heinous their crime is in the public eye. I never heard anyone complain about the high social standing given to priests and religious when it was beneficial so now is not the time to complain about being held to a higher standard. Suck it up and move on. You’re aren’t going to get sympathy from anyone by complaining about a double standard.
 
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