How should I speak to people who justify poverty and desperation to disobey Catholicism?

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Your parents are poorly catechized enough that it’s possible that they think some things are sinful that aren’t. Have a look at the first big paragraph here from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

newadvent.org/cathen/14564b.htm

“For the notion of theft, the unwillingness of the owner to part with what is rightfully his, is essential. If he be content, or if under some circumstances he can legitimately be presumed to be satisfied with what is done although perhaps displeased at the manner of its doing, there is no theft properly so called. Moreover his unwillingness must be reasonable, not simply insensate close-fistedness. He is not justified in declining always and without regard to conditions to assent to the alienation of what belongs to him merely because it is his. Thus one in danger of death from want of food, or suffering any form of extreme necessity, may lawfully take from another as much as is required to meet his present distress even though the possessor’s opposition be entirely clear. Neither, therefore, would he be bound to restitution if his fortunes subsequently were notably bettered, supposing that what he had converted to his own use was perishable. The reason is that individual ownership of the goods of this world, though according to the natural law, yields to the stronger and more sacred right conferred by natural law upon every man to avail himself of such things as are necessary for his own preservation. St. Thomas (II-II:66:7) declares that in such straits what is taken becomes, because of the dire need experienced, one’s very own, and so cannot be said to be stolen. This doctrine is sometimes expressed by saying that at such a time all things become common, and thus one reduced to such utter destitution only exercises his right.”

I suspect that this exception probably covers some of the situations that your parents are talking about. In fact, you might wish to share that with your parents.

Aside from that, I agree with what people have been saying upthread about scrupulosity and not attempting to bring up your parents. Parents are unlikely to take advice from any children, and particularly not from dependent children living under their roof, eating their food, etc.
 
Also, if you’re talking about sins relating to stealing, the Catechism makes certain provisions based on the need. So basically, as far as I remember in reading that section of the Catechism, no, Jean Valjean was not in error stealing bread to feed his family.

Though this(stealing) could have nothing to do with it, in case it does I would advise you to look at the section of the book regarding that.
 
To LoyalViews

First of all, I would like to thank you for your reply. It seems so detailed and sincere. I did not mean to admonish my parents out of anger. Yes, there were times where I was really mad at my parents for not giving me the proper moral and religious guidance for certain situations. But, in this case, my intent was to get them to reform. Although, I do not deny that there were instances where I let my emotions get in the way and said things I should not have said. I also admit that I brought up the past needlessly. I did not initiate the discussion. Rather, as explained in a previous post in this thread, my dad, in a way, started it and it eventually led to the more grave discussion.

And, if I may ask, whose job is it then to admonish? I thought the Lord, as evident in scripture, obligates all of us to admonish our neighbor (of course, not in a judgmental manner or with the intent to proselytize).
It is your job to show forth a good example, and then it is God’s job to admonish. He will do this through you, or through another friend, or perhaps a priest. Do they go to Mass regularly? Perhaps, in a future time, you could buy them a book on the faith - “Catholicism” by Fr Robert Barron is a good one, or, Heresy by G.K. Chesterton (while a bit different to this conversation, it’s still good). You could also go for Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis or something similar.

It’s good that your father started the conversation, which is a good reason to be able to pick it up in the future - calmly, cooperatively. Don’t speak factually, say “see, I think about it this way (fill in the blank)”, and ask your dad why he thinks what he does. Say “okay” and accept it. Don’t say he’s wrong, don’t say “but.” Education is revelation.

They can reform - just pray. Prayer is really the best route for you. God commands and he provides. The Blessed Mother prays and He provides. The saints, they provide and pray. I understand your concern for your parents, and patience is a hard thing to have.

All this would be a good thing to bring up with your priest. His advice would help, since we are just people behind a screen right now, but your priest is face to face, and a the risk of sentimentality, heart to heart.
 
To All

Firstly, please help me to understand. So, one can not simultaneously admonish and honor one’s parents? Are you telling me that the Catholic faith obligates us to admonish our fellow human beings except if they are our parents? I know honoring one’s parents is very pleasing in the eyes of the Lord. After all, how can anyone one of us exist without the marital intimacy of our parents? But, if one were to see one’s parents doing something wrong, are you saying that I can not at least say to them that it is wrong? You make it seem like correcting someone or providing advice on the right way to do things is disrespectful. But, I may be misinterpreting what you are saying. I would appreciate some clarification.

Secondly, I do appreciate you advice so far. Unless my parents open up to the Catholic Faith again, it looks like I may have to refrain from admonishing or evangelizing them. Otherwise, I would be proselytizing them and I know the Lord would not like that. However, there is something I would still like to know: How does one convince those who have committed sins out of destitution to follow the Lord more closely when one has never been destitute? What are some guidelines that should be followed? What are some practical, pastoral, and moral measures that should be taken in the attempt to evangelize such a person?

Thirdly, if I may kindly ask, please pray that my family and I will live up to the expectations of Christ and His Church.

Oh, if it means anything, I am old enough to be in college.
Your attitude with your parents is the concern here and the constant posting about these different admonishments and arguments with them is the problem. It is over done and over the top. You are not going to change their views or ingrain views by having this constant battle with them. Whatever views they have concerning the poverty, sin and justification or excuses is just that, something from the past. I am sure God understand a whole lot more about them than you do growing up in the US and in prosperity. let it go and move on.
 
You need to get the story right. St. Maria Goretti was not raped. It was attempted, she resisted and he stabbed her. She died because she did not get proper medical care in time, she lived to far out from any hospital or care. I really wish people would get her story correct and stop making out to be something that is wasn’t.
You’re right she wasn’t raped, but if she had given in to the rape she wouldn’t have been murdered.
 
You’re right she wasn’t raped, but if she had given in to the rape she wouldn’t have been murdered.
there is no way to judge that at all. He could have stapped her afterwards as well which again would have resulted in her bleeding to death. I think it is sad that too many misjudge or misquote her story. Either it gets twisted by some into “it’s better to die than be raped” or “she wouldn’t have died if she was raped”. Both views are not true and are misunderstanding of what happen to her. If she had been discovered sooner, able to get to a hospital sooner, even had blood transfusions which didn’t exist at the time, she would have lived. She is a shining example of forgiveness. She is considered a martyr of purity which again does not mean that it is better to die than be raped. She didn’t want to be violated, she didn’t want to be raped and it’s so sad that her story is so misjudged.
 
there is no way to judge that at all. He could have stapped her afterwards as well which again would have resulted in her bleeding to death. I think it is sad that too many misjudge or misquote her story. Either it gets twisted by some into “it’s better to die than be raped” or “she wouldn’t have died if she was raped”. Both views are not true and are misunderstanding of what happen to her. If she had been discovered sooner, able to get to a hospital sooner, even had blood transfusions which didn’t exist at the time, she would have lived. She is a shining example of forgiveness. She is considered a martyr of purity which again does not mean that it is better to die than be raped. **She didn’t want to be violated, she didn’t want to be raped **and it’s so sad that her story is so misjudged.
I also find her story inspiring because she was concerned about her attacker’s soul. It wasn’t just about preserving herself, but about trying to stop her attacker from committing mortal sin.
 
Perhaps you should not focus so much on admonishing them, but on having a conversation. If this question arises again, say what the church teaches. Don’t compromise and explain its teachings over and over again if needed, but don’t fight with them. It is possible to discuss things without getting upset.

You can’t make people believe. You can’t make them repent. You can’t make them see the truth if they refuse to see it. This is God’s job. Just hand your parents over to Him, and pray for them. This is all you can do, unsatisfying as it may seem right now.
 
To All

Thank you all for your replies. I know now that I have been too hard on my parents. Its just that I felt like a coward for such a long time. As I live in the same house as my parents, I have been a constant witness to them sinning in many ways. They would sometimes also tell me to do things that I found immoral. I felt like, as my parents did these things, I was watching Jesus get scourged and was doing nothing about it. So, yesterday, I decided to use the discussion as my chance to do what I though was my Christian duty. I am not sure if this really happened, but I truly felt like the Holy Spirit was rushing into me as I explained the Faith to my parents. Although, I do not deny that there were times were I was being inconsiderate, imprudent, and the like. I also have said some things out of the spur of the moment.

But, thanks to your words, I have decided to refrain from any significant religious or moral discussions with my parents unless fate deems it necessary. Instead, as Jesus calls all of us to do, I will strive to be a good example for all (including my parents) to follow and pray for the repentance of all. Your words have reminded me that I, too, must not worry too much about the sins of others lest I forget working on my own sins.

Thank you all again. Please pray that my family and I will live up to the Lord’s expectations. Pray that my parents may be good Catholic Christian parents. Pray that my brother be a good Catholic Christian as well. And please pray that I grow stronger in faith and wisdom and learn to be more pastoral towards others. May God bless you all.
 
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