How should the OF be celebrated?

[NorthTexan88]

I have not read all of the V2 documents, and there seems to be a toss up between this, but how is the OF suppose to be celebrated. Is it ad orietem? communion kneeling? high altar? some Latin? Im asking because I’ve only heard Latin once or twice while being Catholic.
Or is it the way it is done in your average suburban parish? I have heard both as the way it should be done, and the priest at my parish said that V2 did not mandate the high altar and all that…So which is it:shrug:

P.S. Let’s please not turn this into a bash V2 thing or anything like that, I just want to find out the answer.

 

[superamazingman]

I have not read all of the V2 documents, and there seems to be a toss up between this, but how is the OF suppose to be celebrated. Is it ad orietem? communion kneeling? high altar? some Latin? Im asking because I’ve only heard Latin once or twice while being Catholic.
Or is it the way it is done in your average suburban parish? I have heard both as the way it should be done, and the priest at my parish said that V2 did not mandate the high altar and all that…So which is it:shrug:

P.S. Let’s please not turn this into a bash V2 thing or anything like that, I just want to find out the answer.

Sacrosanctum Concilium, the primary VII document on the liturgy, specifies that latin should be retained as the primary language for worship, and the same for chant. As for ad orientem, there is nothing in the documents that says anything about turning around the altars, so celebrating ad orientem is pretty clearly what the council wanted.

 

[NorthTexan88]

Thanks for that!
Our parish is actually starting a class in the fall for what V2 actually called for that I’m pretty excited about! Our Catechist is teaching it and she is awesome!
I’ve heard some say that since it did not specify about the altar that meant they were allowed to do it…or is that what they refer to as the “spirit of v2”?

 

[Matthew_Holford]

I have not read all of the V2 documents, and there seems to be a toss up between this, but how is the OF suppose to be celebrated. Is it ad orietem? communion kneeling? high altar? some Latin? Im asking because I’ve only heard Latin once or twice while being Catholic.
Or is it the way it is done in your average suburban parish? I have heard both as the way it should be done, and the priest at my parish said that V2 did not mandate the high altar and all that…So which is it:shrug:

P.S. Let’s please not turn this into a bash V2 thing or anything like that, I just want to find out the answer.

The Ordinary Form of the Mass permits of a number of options. All the possibilities that you mention are permitted. For example, it may be celebrated ad orientem or versus populum. A document that you might find useful is the General Instruction of the Roman Missal. This contains the rubrics for celebrating the Ordinary Form of Mass.

 

[NorthTexan88]

The Ordinary Form of the Mass permits of a number of options. All the possibilities that you mention are permitted. For example, it may be celebrated ad orientem or versus populum. A document that you might find useful is the General Instruction of the Roman Missal. This contains the rubrics for celebrating the Ordinary Form of Mass.

Ok thanks for the heads up!

Do you know which parts of the Mass the laity are suppose to know in Latin? I figure the Gloria, but is there anything else?

 

[Jegudiel]

I have not read all of the V2 documents, and there seems to be a toss up between this, but how is the OF suppose to be celebrated. Is it ad orietem? communion kneeling? high altar? some Latin? Im asking because I’ve only heard Latin once or twice while being Catholic.
Or is it the way it is done in your average suburban parish? I have heard both as the way it should be done, and the priest at my parish said that V2 did not mandate the high altar and all that…So which is it:shrug:

P.S. Let’s please not turn this into a bash V2 thing or anything like that, I just want to find out the answer.

“How” the Mass is celebrated is not a product of Vatican Council II.

The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass should be celebrated in compliance with the official rubrics provided by the Church. There are great many legitimate options per the Church. Some chosen by the local ordinary, some by the local pastor, some by the individual priestly celebrants and some by the individuals attending the Mass.

 

[NorthTexan88]

The Ordinary Form of the Mass permits of a number of options. All the possibilities that you mention are permitted. For example, it may be celebrated ad orientem or versus populum. A document that you might find useful is the General Instruction of the Roman Missal. This contains the rubrics for celebrating the Ordinary Form of Mass.

Ok thanks for the heads up!

Do you know which parts of the Mass the laity are suppose to know in Latin? I figure the Gloria, but is there anything else?

 

[triumphguy]

You don’t have to know any of the mass in Latin.

 

[triumphguy]

Sacrosanctum Concilium, the primary VII document on the liturgy, **specifies that latin should be retained as the primary language for worship, **and the same for chant. As for ad orientem, there is nothing in the documents that says anything about turning around the altars, so celebrating ad orientem is pretty clearly what the council wanted.

Not at all. “Preserved” while “particular law remains in force” does not equal “primary.”

1. 1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.

1. But since the use of the mother tongue, whether in the Mass, the
   administration of the sacraments, or other parts of the liturgy, frequently may be
   of great advantage to the people, the limits of its employment may be extended.
   This will apply in the first place to the readings and directives, and to some of the
   prayers and chants, according to the regulations on this matter to be laid down
   separately in subsequent chapters.

1. These norms being observed, it is for the competent territorial ecclesiastical
   authority mentioned in Art. 22, 2, to decide whether, and to what extent, the
   vernacular language is to be used; their decrees are to be approved, that is,
   confirmed, by the Apostolic See. And, whenever it seems to be called for, this
   authority is to consult with bishops of neighboring regions which have the same
   language.

 

[triumphguy]

Sacrosanctum Concilium, the primary VII document on the liturgy, specifies that latin should be retained as the primary language for worship, and the same for chant. As for ad orientem, there is nothing in the documents that says anything about turning around the altars, so celebrating ad orientem is pretty clearly what the council wanted.

It’s not so black and white.

1. Along with the revision of the liturgical books, as laid down in Art. 25,** there
   is to be an early revision of the canons and ecclesiastical statutes which govern
   the provision of material things involved in sacred worship. **These laws refer
   especially to the worthy and well planned construction of sacred buildings, the
   shape and construction of altars, the nobility, placing, and safety of the
   eucharistic tabernacle, the dignity and suitability of the baptistery, the proper
   ordering of sacred images, embellishments, and vestments. Laws which seem
   less suited to the reformed liturgy are to be brought into harmony with it, or else
   abolished; and any which are helpful are to be retained if already in use, or
   introduced where they are lacking.

According to the norm of Art. 22 of this Constitution, the territorial bodies of
bishops are empowered to adapt such things to the needs and customs of their
different regions; this applies especially to the materials and form of sacred
furnishings and vestments.

 

[curlycool89]

How should the OF be celebrated?

Like any Mass: reverently and according to the rubrics gives to us by the Church (GIRM, RS, ect).

If an option is chosen, then as long as it is an option that is allowed then it follows these rules. Anything else is just opinion.

 

[bmonk]

“How” the Mass is celebrated is not a product of Vatican Council II.

The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass should be celebrated in compliance with the official rubrics provided by the Church. There are great many legitimate options per the Church. Some chosen by the local ordinary, some by the local pastor, some by the individual priestly celebrants and some by the individuals attending the Mass.

I would add that some of the options are constrained by the current situation. Such as the way the church building is built and furnished.

 

[bmonk]

Ok thanks for the heads up!

Do you know which parts of the Mass the laity are suppose to know in Latin? I figure the Gloria, but is there anything else?

None are required, but it is strongly encouraged that every congregation learn some Latin parts. I’d suggest the “Ordinary of the Mass”, which includes the Gloria, Credo, Sanctus, Mysterium Fidei, Great Amen, and Agnus Dei. (Glory to God, I Believe, Holy Holy, Mystery of Faith, Amen, and Lamb of God) The current Roman Missal includes simple chant forms for all these, as well as the Pater Dei (Our Father) and other prayers.

This allows the members to celebrate, for example, when with a large group of non-English speakers, or if the Pope is visiting.

 

[thomas_jd]

At our oratory mass is celebrated ad-orientem, unless the priest cannot climb the steps to the high altar. A mass in latin, ad-orientum is on the schedule.
The Ordinary form can be a truly beautiful experience !

 

[Mrs_Sally]

How should the OF be celebrated?

Like any Mass: reverently and according to the rubrics gives to us by the Church (GIRM, RS, ect).

If an option is chosen, then as long as it is an option that is allowed then it follows these rules. Anything else is just opinion.

Excellent answer. The instructions for how *any *Mass should be celebrated are in the GIRM or equivalent document.

As lay people, we should also assume in most situations that our priests, who have been trained to say the Mass, are selecting allowed options in situations where there are options.

 

[Cathryn]

For about $10 we can have the most recent up to date GIRM:
amazon.com/General-Instruction-Missal-Liturgy-Documentary/dp/1601371764/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1337043990&sr=1-1

It is free on the USCCB website:
usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/roman-missal/general-instruction-of-the-roman-missal/

The General Instructions of the Roman Missal is beautiful. Every priest has it included in the inside cover of the Roman Missal he uses on the altar.

This is how the Ordinary Form of the Mass should be celebrated.

 

[JGMendes4049]

Ok thanks for the heads up!

Do you know which parts of the Mass the laity are suppose to know in Latin? I figure the Gloria, but is there anything else?

Ideally you should know all of your responses. Ideally being the key word.

 

[NorthTexan88]

Ideally you should know all of your responses. Ideally being the key word.

Ok, cool. I’ve been teaching myself some prayers and parts of the Mass in Latin, it has helped me when I’m feeling discouraged by my parish Mass. If the SSPX comes back into the Church I will more than likely be going solely to the parish that is about 10 minutes from me, so I figured learning some Latin would help.

 

[japhy]

Sacrosanctum Concilium 54:
In Masses which are celebrated with the people, a suitable place may be allotted to their mother tongue. This is to apply in the first place to the readings and “the common prayer,” but also, as local conditions may warrant, to those parts which pertain to the people, according to tho norm laid down in Art. 36 of this Constitution.

Nevertheless steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.

And wherever a more extended use of the mother tongue within the Mass appears desirable, the regulation laid down in Art. 40 of this Constitution is to be observed.
Pope Paul VI presented a “minimum repertoire” of Latin chant (which the faithful ought to know) in the document Voluntati Obsequens, the chants being compiled as Jubilate Deo.

 

[superamazingman]

Ok thanks for the heads up!

Do you know which parts of the Mass the laity are suppose to know in Latin? I figure the Gloria, but is there anything else?

Here is a “minimum repituare” for the faithful put forward following the council.

adoremus.org/JubilateDeo.html

I’d work on the Kyrie, Gloria, Sanctus, Mysterium Fidei, Pater Noster, and Agnus Dei. Youtube them if they aren’t found at the link above.