How should we address people who identify as transgender?

[PRmerger]

Ask God, Yourself.

Where did you say this earlier?

 

[Lynxdk]

Where did you say this earlier?

I just said it again. I’m on a phone.

Are you a psychiatrist?

In my experience, psychiatrists Can’t believe, because they only think They are real.

In any case, I need to get back to the shelter. Almost time for bed.

Goodnight =)

 

[PRmerger]

I just said it again. I’m on a phone.

So when you said you already answered my question, you actually hadn’t.

Interesting…

I think it’s quite clear that you haven’t actually thought through your assertions very well, Lyn.

Think about this well: if you say that God “mentalized” an idea to you, and someone else says the opposite–and God told her this through “mentalizing” as well, there is no way to know what’s actually God’s revelation.

That’s why, thankfully, we have a Church.

And I know you understand this.

For you do submit to the Church each and every time you quote from the New Testament.

Just remember, that when you disagree with the Church, you run into the danger of worshipping a god created after the Almighty Self, rather than the Almighty.

 

[Thorolfr]

Sure. If that’s who he is, that’s who he is.

Now, what’s your opinion of the transgender man who identifies as a 6 yr old?

Would you talk to this man as if he were a woman?
What about as if he were a 6 yr old?

I know a number of transgender people and some of them are friends and I address them as they want to be addressed.

As for transgender men who identify as 6 years olds, I’ve never met such a person before and suspect that it is so rare that I probably never will. But if I do, I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it.

 

[PRmerger]

I know a number of transgender people and some of them are friends and I address them as they want to be addressed.

As for transgender men who identify as 6 years olds, I’ve never met such a person before and suspect that it is so rare that I probably never will. But if I do, I’ll cross that bridge when I come to it.

Not sure why you would have to “cross that bridge”.

Why not apply the same principle here?

Why not be consistent?

If that’s how he identifies–as a woman, and as a 6 yr old–why wouldn’t you follow your own paradigm?

 

[Thorolfr]

Not sure why you would have to “cross that bridge”.

Why not apply the same principle here?

Why not be consistent?

If that’s how he identifies–as a woman, and as a 6 yr old–why wouldn’t you follow your own paradigm?

Well a 6 year old isn’t an adult, and I don’t believe everything six year olds tell me

 

[PRmerger]

Well a 6 year old isn’t an adult, and I don’t believe everything six year olds tell me

Winky face and coyness are cute.

But you still didn’t address the question.

Why do you have a problem being consistent here and applying your own paradigm to this person?

And what about to the transabled person? Would you affirm her in her disability?

 

[on_the_hill]

Not sure why you would have to “cross that bridge”.

Why not apply the same principle here?

Why not be consistent?

If that’s how he identifies–as a woman, and as a 6 yr old–why wouldn’t you follow your own paradigm?

If I were talking to a 52 year old man suffering from some kind of psychosis that caused him to believe that he were a 6 year old girl, I would talk to him as if he were a 6 year old girl. Just the same as I would talk to a 3 year old girl who wanted to pretend she was a butterfly.

But that doesn’t mean for a moment that I would honestly believe that the 52year old man was a 6 year old girl. And I’d probably not hide my opinion that the guy is as crazy as a three dollar bill.

As for the transabled woman, if she’s crazy, then so be it. Her loss, not mine.

 

[PRmerger]

If I were talking to a 52 year old man suffering from some kind of psychosis that caused him to believe that he were a 6 year old girl, I would talk to him as if he were a 6 year old girl. Just the same as I would talk to a 3 year old girl who wanted to pretend she was a butterfly.

But that doesn’t mean for a moment that I would honestly believe that the 52year old man was a 6 year old girl. And I’d probably not hide my opinion that the guy is as crazy as a three dollar bill.

As for the transabled woman, if she’s crazy, then so be it. Her loss, not mine.

And men who think they are women are also suffering from psychosis?

 

[on_the_hill]

And men who think they are women are also suffering from psychosis?

Maybe. Maybe they’re delusional. I’m not a psychiatrist.

I think people ought to be addressed however they choose to be addressed. But that doesn’t mean we’re all equally sane.

I think Caitlin Jenner has some serious mental problems and will never be normal and happy. I pity her, in a way. But I’d still call her a she if that’s what she wants.

 

[PRmerger]

Maybe. Maybe they’re delusional. I’m not a psychiatrist.

Right.

But it’s curious that you didn’t have that attitude with the man who thinks he’s a woman and a 6 yr old. You said he had psychosis.

And you presumably didn’t need to be a psychiatrist to determine that.

I think people ought to be addressed however they choose to be addressed. But that doesn’t mean we’re all equally sane.

I think Caitlin Jenner has some serious mental problems and will never be normal and happy. I pity her, in a way. But I’d still call her a she if that’s what she wants.

I think the question is bigger than what we call them.

My question is: if that is how they identify, do we embrace this identification?

 

[Confiteor_Deo]

I would call them by their true gender since we shouldn’t make them think that they are correct in what they are “identifying” as. They need to know the truth, even if it is painful.

 

[Trad_Catholic27]

Transgender people are suffering from a mental illness that needs treatment. We need to be merciful to them but must affirm their true gender regardless of how they feel

 

[hu324b]

Well lets add a few more points about this man who thinks hes a 6 year old girl.

Words from him:
“I can’t deny I was married. I can’t deny I have children. But I’ve moved forward now and I’ve gone back to being a child. I don’t want to be an adult right now.
“I have a mommy and a daddy - an adopted mommy and daddy - who are totally comfortable with me being a little girl. And their children and their grandchildren are totally supportive.”
“It’s liberated me from the hurt. Because if I’m six years old, I don’t have to think about adult stuff. I still drink coffee and drive a car and even my tractor, but I still drive the tractor as a little kid…
“In my mind, I’m a little girl. I was never allowed to be a little girl, so I’m filling that tank of little girl experiences…
“I have access to really pretty clothes and I don’t have to act my age. By not acting my age I don’t have to deal with the reality that was my past because it hurt…
“I have a whole bunch of friends who want to play … You just de-stress. Some people turn to drugs, to different kinds of fetishes or medication or therapy, but for us we just let it go and stop thinking about big-people stuff…”

First, if we accept that he can become a six year old girl , are there any limits to defining an identity? If a 52-year-old man can seek to be accepted as a six-year-old girl one day, can he become a Labrador retriever the next? Or could a 14-year-old young man identify as a 74-year-old widow and demand a pension? This case shows that the sky is the limit for people’s bizarre fantasies. Since it is impossible for society to accommodate all of them, where will the transgender ideologues draw the line? Can they?

Second, should his autonomous choice be respected? From an ethical point of view, he selfishly pursued a fantasy and abandoned a wife and the seven children they brought into the world. From a psychological point of view, he ended up in jail, homeless and suicidal. No matter how it’s sliced and diced, autonomy made him and his loved ones miserable.

Third, his words support the suspicion that his desire to live as a transgender is a mental disorder, not a legitimate lifestyle choice. All of us suffer in one way or another. But running away from the “big-people stuff” of coping with reality diminishes us as human beings. He needs therapy
Most disturbing of all, he managed to find a new mommy and daddy. That’s another post altogether, come to think of it. Two adults opened their home to a man who thinks he’s a little girl. He’s playing with their young children…these parents need to be scrutinized. Hard.
But you claim hes perfectly normal and a true representative of the transgender community

I find you very polarized on this subject matter.

I will respect other transgender persons including the disabled person on this post - but I will not support this mans delusions.

I plagiarize here to help support my argument that this guy is a selfish loony tune.

 

[hu324b]

I will add that this appears more like role playing and acting out - then an actual gender issue

 

[vsedriver]

You can use ‘it’ when referring to me. I identify as an AH64 attack helicopter-- so it’s all good.

I think your son blew it. He should have claimed he was a ‘rescue’ helicopter… colleges get nervous with words like ‘attack’…

 

[Lynxdk]

Right.

But it’s curious that you didn’t have that attitude with the man who thinks he’s a woman and a 6 yr old. You said he had psychosis.

And you presumably didn’t need to be a psychiatrist to determine that.

I think the question is bigger than what we call them.

My question is: if that is how they identify, do we embrace this identification?

It seems pretty obvious that you see other human beings as objects, so it hardly matters what you would call them.

And as if the way you judge wasn’t bad enough, you would probably deny the Holy Spirit, too, so our conversation has ended.

 

[Lynxdk]

Transgender people are suffering from a mental illness that needs treatment. We need to be merciful to them but must affirm their true gender regardless of how they feel

Transgender people are exactly the way God made them. You might want to take care who you try labelling “Mentally ill” since Anyone can fit a bill of that description with the new DSM. It’s a load of hogwash, to begin with, and they just keep making it worse, selling more snake oil.

 

[Lynxdk]

I will respect other transgender persons including the disabled person on this post - but I will not support this mans delusions.

I plagiarize here to help support my argument that this guy is a selfish loony tune.

I don’t think supporting his delusions are an option for you. Are you family that can take action and be involved in getting him some more appropriate help? Probably not.

Selfish… could be undiagnosed brain damage or something, as well. Looney toon… too many names you use.

It seems out of our hands, “using” this example of a troubled human being, and systems we have for “mental heath” are rarely of much use in extreme cases of Anything these days, so it’s seems not much else one can do at this time, is pray for that man and his families.

 

[vz71]

Ask God, Yourself.

Part of your confusion seems to be not even acknowledging that God Exists in the First place, so maybe you should start a thread about that, and I’ll join you, because this is getting off topic.

And quit twisting my words into some solipsistic sounding point of view.

Actually I know where my confusion here is coming from.
A refusal to address questions with any more then a claim to authority I neither acknowledge or recognize.

“God told me” is not going to cut it when I have God telling me through his church something different.