How there could be more than one Mind?

[Bahman]

Lets define Mind and Mental state first. Mind is the essence of every beings with the ability to allow experiences, decisions and acts. Mental state is what Mind can experience and act upon. Mind is spiritual and it cannot be located where as Mental states have location. We know by fact that the experience and act are local. Decision however is Made by Mind.

Now lets consider many beings and one Mind. One Mind allows that experiences to happen locally, where we are. The acts also happen locally after decisions are made. Now lets consider two Minds and many beings. Two Minds allows that the experiences and acts happen locally as previous case. The decisions however made in two different Minds hence we can have the conflict in decisions. Hence we could only have one Mind.

This is parallel to Hinduism teaching: Atman is Brahman.

What do you think?

 

[kdbueno]

Your mind pre-supposed the theory that your dignity by divine soul and morality exist. My mind, sees your being by reason of eternal truth and conceivable justice.

 

[Robert_Sock]

Lets define Mind and Mental state first. Mind is the essence of every beings with the ability to allow experiences, decisions and acts. Mental state is what Mind can experience and act upon. Mind is spiritual and it cannot be located where as Mental states have location. We know by fact that the experience and act are local. Decision however is Made by Mind.

Now lets consider many beings and one Mind. One Mind allows that experiences to happen locally, where we are. The acts also happen locally after decisions are made. Now lets consider two Minds and many beings. Two Minds allows that the experiences and acts happen locally as previous case. The decisions however made in two different Minds hence we can have the conflict in decisions. Hence we could only have one Mind.

This is parallel to Hinduism teaching: Atman is Brahman.

What do you think?

Chabad, a orthodox Jewish religious sect, claims that we have two minds: One from the animal soul and the other from our divine soul. BTW: We also are said to have two brains, the right and left hemispheres.

 

[GEddie]

Didn’t you ask this question a few days ago?

In any case, the existence of plural embodied-minds (or minded-bodies) negates your position. Each embodied-mind experiences life wholly distinctly from others and cannot see through another’s eyes, know with another’s head, or use another’s limbs; like the bodies themselves, embodied-minds are distinct.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Anthony_V]

Lets define Mind and Mental state first. Mind is the essence of every beings with the ability to allow experiences, decisions and acts. Mental state is what Mind can experience and act upon. Mind is spiritual and it cannot be located where as Mental states have location. We know by fact that the experience and act are local. Decision however is Made by Mind.

Now lets consider many beings and one Mind. One Mind allows that experiences to happen locally, where we are. The acts also happen locally after decisions are made. Now lets consider two Minds and many beings. Two Minds allows that the experiences and acts happen locally as previous case. The decisions however made in two different Minds hence we can have the conflict in decisions. Hence we could only have one Mind.

This is parallel to Hinduism teaching: Atman is Brahman.

What do you think?

Why do you define “mind” and “mental state” that way? Would you please demonstrate how it is correct?

 

[MaryHelp777]

Are you thinking what I’m.thinking??

No

Because you are an individual and so am I.

I cannot think thoughts into your mind.

And you cannot think thoughts into my mind.

Were Hitler and Jesus and Walt Disney the same mind then according to you?
Was Pilate who crucified Jesus the same mind as Jesus?

No.

As Jesus said Himself,
“Satan cannot cast out satan. A Kingdom divided against itself cannot stand.”

“You reap what you sow.”
Each person will receiv his own reward at the end of life for his individual merits or unrepentant vices.

As Our Lady has said in one of her apparitions, “Your free will is your downfall.”

 

[Bahman]

Your mind pre-supposed the theory that your dignity by divine soul and morality exist. My mind, sees your being by reason of eternal truth and conceivable justice.

You are not really providing any answer to OP.

 

[Bahman]

Chabad, a orthodox Jewish religious sect, claims that we have two minds: One from the animal soul and the other from our divine soul. BTW: We also are said to have two brains, the right and left hemispheres.

That of course is contradictory as it is claimed in OP.

 

[Bahman]

Didn’t you ask this question a few days ago?

No, that is different claim.

In any case, the existence of plural embodied-minds (or minded-bodies) negates your position. Each embodied-mind experiences life wholly distinctly from others and cannot see through another’s eyes, know with another’s head, or use another’s limbs; like the bodies themselves, embodied-minds are distinct.

ICXC NIKA

If experience and act are local then you don’t need more than one Mind because one Mind allows allows them to happen. Having more than one mind is problematic as it is explained in OP.

 

[Bahman]

Why do you define “mind” and “mental state” that way?

Because this is the minimal model. Everything which surrounds us is simply mental state and we need only one Mind for our minimal models to explain everything which happen in reality. Having more Minds is contradictory since there is a conflict in decisions.

Would you please demonstrate how it is correct?

We know by fact that we experience, decide and act in any situation. Experience and act are local phenomenas so they couldn’t happen in Mind since Mind doesn’t have any location. Mind simply allows them to happen locally. Decision is made by Mind.

 

[Bahman]

Are you thinking what I’m.thinking??

Your thinking is different from mine because we have different brain. That is power of Mind to allow that this happen locally. Your thinking cannot happen in Mind since Mind has no location.

Because you are an individual and so am I.

We are different because we have different bodies.

I cannot think thoughts into your mind.

And you cannot think thoughts into my mind.

That is already explained.

Were Hitler and Jesus and Walt Disney the same mind then according to you? Was Pilate who crucified Jesus the same mind as Jesus?

Yes we have the same Mind as it is illustrated. Having more than one Mind is contradictory as it was explained in OP.

 

[GEddie]

No, that is different claim.

If experience and act are local then you don’t need more than one Mind because one Mind allows allows them to happen. Having more than one mind is problematic as it is explained in OP.

More than one mind is not problematic, it is obvious, unless one accepts your alternative definition for mind, which is itself problematic.

ICXC NIKA

 

[MaryHelp777]

Your thinking is different from mine because we have different brain. That is power of Mind to allow that this happen locally. Your thinking cannot happen in Mind since Mind has no location.

We are different because we have different bodies.

That is already explained.

Yes we have the same Mind as it is illustrated. Having more than one Mind is contradictory as it was explained in OP.

So you think satan and Jesus had the same mind?

And Judas and Peter?

And Hitler and Pope John Paul Ii?

Crazy talk…

 

[MaryHelp777]

Catholicism has mystical evidence,

The blood Ab type of the same male person was found by scientists on the Turin Shroud and in Eucharistic miracles where the Eucharist turned Into Jesus actual flesh and blood from the heart tissue, such as Laciano, in Italy.

The Pollen found on the Shroud placing it in Jerusalem at Jesus death.

The image of Jesus on the Shroud as being of a substance not of earth .

The Catholic Church is full of miracles throughout history to testify the presence of God.

You have no mystical evidence of miracles to prove any of your crazy claims.

 

[Aloysium]

Each one of us is an individual, unique expression of one humanity. We are one body only in love, in giving of ourselves to one another, in Christ. Otherwise it is everyone for themselves, separating ourselves from what would be whole. God is Love as the triune Godhead, and we enter into communion with Him when we become Christ-like. Being is not solitary, but rather relational. Each and every moment we are connected to everything that is other and to the Source of our being - God. Perfect Relationality is loving - unity in the giving of oneself to the other. There are a multitude of beings, of minds ultimately to be joined in the Beatific Vision of creation, centred around, being brought forth from and returning to God. Something like that - words fail.

 

[Anthony_V]

Because this is the minimal model.

Because what is the minimal model? The combination of “mind” and “mental state”? Or just “mind”? Or maybe just “mental state”? You’re simply proposing things here, and not backing up your answers. Here’s a summary of what’s happened so far:

1. You proposed that mind is A and mental state is B.
2. I asked why mind and mental state must be A and B.
3. You replied that mind is A and mental state is B because that’s the minimal way they must be.

I’m sorry, but that tells me nothing. I can’t read your mind – a fact which itself might be problematic for you to explain. You must demonstrate that A and B logically entails “minimal model.” May I suggest the following, syllogistic form:

Mind and mental state are X.
X is a minimal model.
Therefore, mind and mental state are a minimal model.

Everything which surrounds us is simply mental state…

May I suggest the following, syllogistic form:

Everything which surrounds us is H.
H is simply mental state.
Therefore, everything which surrounds us is simply mental state.

…and we need only one Mind for our minimal models to explain everything which happen in reality.

Another interesting claim for you to demonstrate.

Having more Minds is contradictory since there is a conflict in decisions.

Another interesting claim for you to demonstrate.

We know by fact that we experience, decide and act in any situation.

I’m not sure I know this fact. May I suggest the following syllogistic form:

Any possible situation is J.
Experiencing, deciding, and acting is J.
Therefore, any possible situation entails experiencing, deciding, and acting.

Experience and act are local phenomenas so they couldn’t happen in Mind since Mind doesn’t have any location.

This begs the question. You haven’t demonstrated that mind doesn’t have any location. And neither have you demonstrated that experience and act are local phenomena. (Not that I don’t believe they are local phenomena; but what I believe is irrelevant to your demonstration’s validity.)

Mind simply allows them to happen locally. Decision is made by Mind.

Please demonstrate that mind has such a power.

 

[Bahman]

More than one mind is not problematic, it is obvious, unless one accepts your alternative definition for mind, which is itself problematic.

ICXC NIKA

More than one Mind is problematic because there is tension in decisions made by Minds.

 

[Bahman]

So you think satan and Jesus had the same mind?

And Judas and Peter?

And Hitler and Pope John Paul Ii?

Crazy talk…

Yes we all have one Mind. What makes you who you are is not the Mind but your brain. We have different brains hence we are different. This is true because your personality is the result of all experience you had in your life. Where your personality is reside? Inside your brain.

 

[Bahman]

Catholicism has mystical evidence,

The blood Ab type of the same male person was found by scientists on the Turin Shroud and in Eucharistic miracles where the Eucharist turned Into Jesus actual flesh and blood from the heart tissue, such as Laciano, in Italy.

The Pollen found on the Shroud placing it in Jerusalem at Jesus death.

The image of Jesus on the Shroud as being of a substance not of earth .

The Catholic Church is full of miracles throughout history to testify the presence of God.

You have no mystical evidence of miracles to prove any of your crazy claims.

What you stated are a set of claims. I am instead presenting a model of reality. I am not claiming but arguing by facts. It seems to me that you didn’t understand my model, otherwise you didn’t ask for a miracle! What is the use of miracle when an argument sounds well.

 

[Bahman]

Each one of us is an individual, unique expression of one humanity. We are one body only in love, in giving of ourselves to one another, in Christ. Otherwise it is everyone for themselves, separating ourselves from what would be whole. God is Love as the triune Godhead, and we enter into communion with Him when we become Christ-like. Being is not solitary, but rather relational. Each and every moment we are connected to everything that is other and to the Source of our being - God. Perfect Relationality is loving - unity in the giving of oneself to the other. There are a multitude of beings, of minds ultimately to be joined in the Beatific Vision of creation, centred around, being brought forth from and returning to God. Something like that - words fail.

I don’t understand how your comment is related to OP.