How to become a Protestant Pastor? Perhaps the reason why so many bible interpretations?

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O.S.Luke said:
I don’t believe that one will hold up, CWBetts. Or you haven’t been to the ordination of an Anglican, Lutheran, or Methodist.
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I was referring spcifically to the threefold vow of CAtholoc religious orders: Poverty, Obediance and Celibacy
 
abandoning one’s wife and children doesn’t sound very responsible.

If you are called to the priesthood, you wouldn’t been called to be married also.
 
I’ve read this thread for awhile and it is sad to me that Catholic’s and other Christian Faith’s argue so extensive over the same old arguments.I understand part of the Catholic Faith is to believe only Peter was given the keys to the kingdom, but with others, all Apostiles were given authority.There were 10 other Apostiles that started churches in other parts of the world. Andrew started the Byzintine Church.Not to insult RCC, but it seems to me all Christian Churches are the Bride of Jesus Christ, we are all one in heaven, because Jesus Christ is High Priest of a perfect Covenant. All churches belong to the Lord, why is it one has to be better than another? Did Jesus not say he came down for all man? Did he not call himself Son of Man(Adam).To question something does not mean we are insulting a belief by others, the fact is we have questions. I have questions that I have found no answers for, yet.Jesus once called Peter a Satin. Did he really men Peter was a Satin? Of course not! I wish we could discuse difference a little nicer, there are people who come here to learn and fellowship.😦
 
racing59 said:
I’ve read this thread for awhile and it is sad to me that Catholic’s and other Christian Faith’s argue so extensive over the same old arguments.I understand part of the Catholic Faith is to believe only Peter was given the keys to the kingdom, but with others, all Apostiles were given authority.There were 10 other Apostiles that started churches in other parts of the world. Andrew started the Byzintine Church.Not to insult RCC, but it seems to me all Christian Churches are the Bride of Jesus Christ, we are all one in heaven, because Jesus Christ is High Priest of a perfect Covenant. All churches belong to the Lord, why is it one has to be better than another? Did Jesus not say he came down for all man? Did he not call himself Son of Man(Adam).To question something does not mean we are insulting a belief by others, the fact is we have questions. I have questions that I have found no answers for, yet.Jesus once called Peter a Satin. Did he really men Peter was a Satin? Of course not! I wish we could discuse difference a little nicer, there are people who come here to learn and fellowship.😦
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But you have to remember all of these other CHurches were CAtholic in theology, and ONLY peter was given the Keys. This establishes the Primacy of Peter (and therefore, the Pope).
 
CWBetts said:
But you have to remember all of these other CHurches were CAtholic in theology, and ONLY peter was given the Keys. This establishes the Primacy of Peter (and therefore, the Pope).
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I understand RCC doctrine is based on the Primacy of Peter as the head of all other Apostles.To me, this is an act of faith believing that Jesus would leave his Church in the hands of only one man.I have a problem with the old saying, “Absolute power corupts absolutly.” There is alot here based on faith, because the original documents were lost. I do believe the Catholic Church was there in the early centuries, but the original Church was held in homes in Jerusalem and the Agapy meal celebrated in these homes. I have study the Didiche and the Early Fathers.Peter was not the only Apostle to have the Power of binding and loosening.Hisoricaly the term Catholic did not come in till Ignasius of Antioch some were between 107-155 A.d. The term Roman Catholic came in at a later date. The early Christian Church was set up by all the Apostles that is why we have Paul and the others letters.Can we not agree that Matthew chp 16 and the Primacy of Peter is more an act of Faith?
 
CWBetts said:
I was referring spcifically to the threefold vow of CAtholoc religious orders: Poverty, Obediance and Celibacy
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Not all priests are order priests. Diocesan priests do not take vows of poverty, if I am not mistaken.

I took vows of obedience, chastity in marriage, and celibacy in singleness.
 
CWBetts said:
But you have to remember all of these other CHurches were CAtholic in theology, and ONLY peter was given the Keys. This establishes the Primacy of Peter (and therefore, the Pope).
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this is true. St Paul himself says: if anyone comes to you and preach a Gospel other than ours, run from it.
 
wisdomseeker said:
this is true. St Paul himself says: if anyone comes to you and preach a Gospel other than ours, run from it.
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Isn’t the Gospel Jesus Christ taught a Gospel of Love? God so loved the world he sent his only begotten Son. Love one another as I have loved you, there is no greater love than to lay ones life down for ones friend.Is this not the Gospel most Christian Churches teach?🤷
 
O.S.Luke said:
Not all priests are order priests. Diocesan priests do not take vows of poverty, if I am not mistaken.

I took vows of obedience, chastity in marriage, and celibacy in singleness.
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As my Priest once said “Order priests take a vow of poverty, and diocesan priests live it.”
 
CWBetts said:
As my Priest once said “Order priests take a vow of poverty, and diocesan priests live it.”
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I wouldn’t argue with that. Most Protestant pastors I know live meagerly - by necessity and by choice.
 
racing59 said:
Isn’t the Gospel Jesus Christ taught a Gospel of Love? God so loved the world he sent his only begotten Son. Love one another as I have loved you, there is no greater love than to lay ones life down for ones friend.Is this not the Gospel most Christian Churches teach?🤷
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do you see that the Gospel that ML preached is the Gospel of Love. when he left the Church, judged the Church that Jesus built, condemned her, and preached all kinds of evil against her? do you not see his anger towards the people forcing them to accept his teachings? do you consider this as a Gospel of Love of God? do you see Gospel of Love by the king of england when he killed Catholics and made the Catholic Church his own? do you see any of the apostles teaching anything diferent from each other? no, you dont. the Holy Spirit does not teach different things to diferent people. He doesnt tell the Catholic Church that the Bread and wine is truly His Flesh and Blood then tell protestants it is not. it doesnt make any sense. one of us are preaching a lie. Who?

do you see the Gospel of love in the Baptist congregations when they preached all kinds of evil against the True church? please dont get started.

"Let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the
Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached
by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded;
and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian."
St. Athanasius, Letter to Serapion of Thmuis, 359 A.D…
 
wisdomseeker said:
do you see that the Gospel that ML preached is the Gospel of Love. when he left the Church, judged the Church that Jesus built, condemned her, and preached all kinds of evil against her? do you not see his anger towards the people forcing them to accept his teachings? do you consider this as a Gospel of Love of God? do you see Gospel of Love by the king of england when he killed Catholics and made the Catholic Church his own? do you see any of the apostles teaching anything diferent from each other? no, you dont. the Holy Spirit does not teach different things to diferent people. He doesnt tell the Catholic Church that the Bread and wine is truly His Flesh and Blood then tell protestants it is not. it doesnt make any sense. one of us are preaching a lie. Who?

do you see the Gospel of love in the Baptist congregations when they preached all kinds of evil against the True church? please dont get started.

"Let us note that the very tradition, teaching, and faith of the
Catholic Church from the beginning, which the Lord gave, was preached
by the Apostles, and was preserved by the Fathers. On this was the Church founded;
and if anyone departs from this, he neither is nor any longer ought to be called a Christian."
St. Athanasius, Letter to Serapion of Thmuis, 359 A.D…
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This is the very reason I do not belong to any organized church. I am a Covenantelist. Almost all Churches have acttack people for not believing their way, just look at history.What about the Crusaids, the inqusitions, Galileo’s imprisionment? It is a double edge sword that swings both ways. Jesus taught a Gospel of Love I Corinthians Chapter 13 amoung just a few.I personaly do not follow ML, I follow Jesus Christ and God’s Covenants.Who would that make me a RCC hater? I see beautiful things in RCC, I just personaly believe it has not gone far enough.A Gospel of Love is the Gospel Jesus taught, your right all others we should run from!:eek:
 
racing59 said:
This is the very reason I do not belong to any organized church. I am a Covenantelist. Almost all Churches have acttack people for not believing their way, just look at history.What about the Crusaids, the inqusitions, Galileo’s imprisionment? It is a double edge sword that swings both ways. Jesus taught a Gospel of Love I Corinthians Chapter 13 amoung just a few.I personaly do not follow ML, I follow Jesus Christ and God’s Covenants.Who would that make me a RCC hater? I see beautiful things in RCC, I just personaly believe it has not gone far enough.A Gospel of Love is the Gospel Jesus taught, your right all others we should run from!:eek:
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i dont know what is a covenantelist. never heard of it. i know that God made a Covenant with one people the Jews. through the Jews the Gospel was spreaded through the Church to all Nations. God did not go around making Covenants with different people.

and no, it is not a double edge. the crusaders tried to help the Christians who were being killed by muslims in the midlle east. inquisition is not what you think it is. Galileo did not suffer in the hands of the CC like you think. find the true history before you make a judgement.

Love is not what you think it should be either. Love is not to accept everything the other wants but it is to direct them to the Truth. Jesus Himself said." if a man refuses to listen to the Church, treat him as a tax collector, a heathen." just look at the history of Israel, they sinned many times but God never left them. He kept His Covenant, that has not changed.
 
wisdomseeker said:
i dont know what is a covenantelist. never heard of it. i know that God made a Covenant with one people the Jews. through the Jews the Gospel was spreaded through the Church to all Nations. God did not go around making Covenants with different people.

and no, it is not a double edge. the crusaders tried to help the Christians who were being killed by muslims in the midlle east. inquisition is not what you think it is. Galileo did not suffer in the hands of the CC like you think. find the true history before you make a judgement.

Love is not what you think it should be either. Love is not to accept everything the other wants but it is to direct them to the Truth. Jesus Himself said." if a man refuses to listen to the Church, treat him as a tax collector, a heathen." just look at the history of Israel, they sinned many times but God never left them. He kept His Covenant, that has not changed.
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**A Covenantelist follows God’s Covenants begining with Adam all the way to new Covenant were Jesus Christ is High Priest in the Order of Mechezidek.Kingship and Priesthood I Peter 2:9-10 we are now a Kigdom of Priests. Revelation 5:9-10 this Priesthood is to reign on earth.As far as the Crusaids there was killing on both sides and the fight was over Jerusalem. Galileo was arrested for teaching that the world revolved around the sun. It is a known historical fact that all believe,including the Church that in Genesis the earth was the center of the universe(The Foundation) so what Galileo taught was heracy. Many people have died in the name of one religion or another, not just RCC. But even Pope John Paul II appalogized for the Churches mistakes in the past.I do search for Truth.To me the Church is not a building, but the Bride of Jesus Christ who always was and always is.The two are but one this is a great mystery of God Eph5:22-35.The Chrch was present in the Garden of Eden(The Holy of Holies), Siani, Solomon’s Temple,and in the Tabernacle. Jesus Christ is the Church and his Gospel is a Gospel of Love. We are no longer slaves,but his Holy Childern Gal.4:4-7.The Gospel I follow was institute by God through the Word made flesh Jesus Christ in his Covenants. **
 
racing59 said:
**A Covenantelist follows God’s Covenants begining with Adam all the way to new Covenant were Jesus Christ is High Priest in the Order of Mechezidek.Kingship and Priesthood I Peter 2:9-10 we are now a Kigdom of Priests. Revelation 5:9-10 this Priesthood is to reign on earth.As far as the Crusaids there was killing on both sides and the fight was over Jerusalem. Galileo was arrested for teaching that the world revolved around the sun. It is a known historical fact that all believe,including the Church that in Genesis the earth was the center of the universe(The Foundation) so what Galileo taught was heracy. Many people have died in the name of one religion or another, not just RCC. But even Pope John Paul II appalogized for the Churches mistakes in the past.I do search for Truth.To me the Church is not a building, but the Bride of Jesus Christ who always was and always is.The two are but one this is a great mystery of God Eph5:22-35.The Chrch was present in the Garden of Eden(The Holy of Holies), Siani, Solomon’s Temple,and in the Tabernacle. Jesus Christ is the Church and his Gospel is a Gospel of Love. We are no longer slaves,but his Holy Childern Gal.4:4-7.The Gospel I follow was institute by God through the Word made flesh Jesus Christ in his Covenants. **
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with all due respect, i have no idea what you are talking about. where did you get this covenant from. did you get the idea from the Bible? who found your church?

did your church compile the Bible? did your church took part on the Councils? you know Jerusalem, Ephesus and so forth? who are the fathers of your church? what does your church teach?
 
racing59 said:
I understand RCC doctrine is based on the Primacy of Peter as the head of all other Apostles.To me, this is an act of faith believing that Jesus would leave his Church in the hands of only one man.I have a problem with the old saying, “Absolute power corupts absolutly.” There is alot here based on faith, because the original documents were lost. I do believe the Catholic Church was there in the early centuries, but the original Church was held in homes in Jerusalem and the Agapy meal celebrated in these homes. I have study the Didiche and the Early Fathers.Peter was not the only Apostle to have the Power of binding and loosening.Hisoricaly the term Catholic did not come in till Ignasius of Antioch some were between 107-155 A.d. The term Roman Catholic came in at a later date. The early Christian Church was set up by all the Apostles that is why we have Paul and the others letters.Can we not agree that Matthew chp 16 and the Primacy of Peter is more an act of Faith?
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  1. Lord Acton is not infallible.
  2. “Binding and loosening” is establishment of the sacrament of penamce and reconciliation. This would eventually be granted to all priests, but initially to Peter alone.
  3. If you had read the ECFs then you would know that early Church worship was the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
  4. The Holy Spurit protects the pope from teaching in error.
 
wisdomseeker said:
with all due respect, i have no idea what you are talking about. where did you get this covenant from. did you get the idea from the Bible? Covenants are totally Biblical. !st Covenant was a Marrage of Adam and Eve on the Sabbath(7th daygn) Seven in acient Hebrew is the sign of Covenant oath swearing, to Seven onself.I swear you are my God, by the name of God and God swears in his name we are his children. 2) God’d Covenant with Noah, Covenant sign the Rainbow.3) God’s Covenant with Abraham covenat sign is circumsition.4) God’s covenant with Moses, covenant sign is the Passover.5) God’s covenant with David, covenant sign is the Throne.6) New covenat through Jesus Christ, covenant sign,The Cross.7) God’s covenat with his Bride the Christian Church, Covenat sign,acces again to “The Tree of Life”. Signs of Covenants can be found in CCC of RCC 1150 who found your church?
God founded my Church at the foundation of the Earth.
did your church compile the Bible? God compiled The Sacred Sriptures did your church took part on the Councils? In a sense,yes you know Jerusalem, Ephesus and so forth?
Yes who are the fathers of your church?
Very ancient and Hebrew Prophets
what does your church teach?
Covenants![QUIOTE]
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CWBetts said:
  1. Lord Acton is not infallible.
  2. “Binding and loosening” is establishment of the sacrament of penamce and reconciliation. This would eventually be granted to all priests, but initially to Peter alone.
  3. If you had read the ECFs then you would know that early Church worship was the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass
  4. The Holy Spurit protects the pope from teaching in error.
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1) Do not understand please clearify??? 2)Binding and loosening was given to all the ApostlesJohn 20:20-23.Matthew 16:17-20 is an act of faith that only Peter was given the Keys to the Kingdom.The assumption here is only Peter got the keys and no other Apostle at a later time or that it may have been excluded.John 21:24-25 telss us not everything Jesus said or did was written down. 3) I believe in a Mass after all a Priethood is to offer a Bread and wine Sacrifice to God. The Todah is the only sacrifice to survive the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D.We are the Priesthood according to Melchezidek, I believe the Agapy meal(The Mass or Liturgical worship) should be done in the home as it was in the 1st century.4) Jesus gave the Holy Spirit to all the Apostles once again John20:20-23.At Penticost he gave it to all.There are other Christian Churches that are 2,000 years old in Jerusalem,Euthiopia, and around the world. Messianic Jews have been around since the beginning of Christianity.
 
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