How to dramatically reduce gun violence in American cities

[LilyM]

The amendment was not historically applied that way, but in any case, that was the interpretation of the people who wrote the constitution but it isn’t a correct understanding. There is no such divinely given right in Christian history and there never was.

I don’t know if you can say it is divinely given, however the apostles, at least St. Peter, carried a weapon. When he used it, to cut off the high priests ear,
Jesus told him to put it up but He could have given the command during his previous three years to not carry weapons, or He could have said they were banned for all times, but He didn’t. Could we take that as a divine acknowledgement that we have a right to protect ourselves with weapons if need be.

But the reverse is also true. Jesus could have said “I want you ALL to be armed at all times, and I say that whoever feels they need a weapon from now unto forevermore is entitled to own one”

Yet He chose not to say that either.

 

[Theo520]

It’s far far more likely that there is a civil war between the pro and anti government supporters than a united front amongst the general population against a single tyrant.

To me you just said the exact same thing. The anti-gov supports would believe they are fighting a tyrant.

 

[TARRAT]

Everybody at that time did have a weapon. And still it remains what he actually did say. He did not condemn it.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Emeraldlady:

what is ‘the patriot forces’? Is that the current government forces?

No, the patriot forces would be those who would be against those in power and were taking away the liberties of the people .

This is not a credible possibility in the US. It serves as propaganda to feed a fear that is completely unfounded. The perpetrators never say how such a thing could ever happen in the US. If the US was so far gone that it in the grips of a tyrannical maniac, the constitution would have been long gone.

Look, all the high and mighty here in America have armed security and we have one political party (the Democrats) who seek to take away the right to an effective means of self defense from the average citizen. It is one infringement after another from those people, so if they ever got complete control of the government they would go full bore after our gun rights,- of that you can be sure.

There is only one reason why modern Americans want gun control. That is to pull back the tragic, senseless murder, suicide, injury, massacre waste of human lives. There seems to be a blockage in the mind of people who don’t get that motivation. Life seems to be expendable to them. The innocent and vulnerable are just collateral losses to the almighty right of guns. Are they blind to the billions of dollars being made by the arms trade and how proud these arms traders are to wear the gold jacket of the NRA Ring of Freedom contributors? They don’t want a common sense interpretation of the 2nd Amendment and certainly have no interest in the common good. They want to preserve their cash cow. The golden calf that is fattened after every massacre as minions rush to stock up on more guns having fallen for the lie that more guns make ME safe.

You mentioned gun control countries, do you live in one?

Yes I live in Australia.

 

[pnewton]

I think some of yo are missing the point of the thread. Gun control, be it little or a lot, is not the only way to reduce gun violence, and may well not even be the most successful way to reduce gun violence.

There are plenty of other gun control threads, Nazi thread, etc.

 

[Odilon]

This is not a credible possibility in the US. It serves as propaganda to feed a fear that is completely unfounded. The perpetrators never say how such a thing could ever happen in the US. If the US was so far gone that it in the grips of a tyrannical maniac, the constitution would have been long gone.

This stuff happening was the fear of our Founding Fathers, thus the 2nd Amendment to the Federal Constitution. I will also point out that many state constitutions also have this right embedded into them, so the Federal right is not unprecedented nor peculiar in any way. Our fears are unfounded? Certainly not with the likes of communist sympathizers like Bernie Sanders, Ilhan Omar, and the “Young Pioneer” herself Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez now a part of the government.

And who would have ever thought that a nation steeped in Christianity and representative government (Germany) would ever have dropped to the depths of evil as they did during the last century? If such a thing happened there, it could happen here and you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Democrat Party ideology of today is now steeped in communist/socialist ideals and they want complete and uncompromising power over the people. The Democrats at this point do not like our Constitution as it is written and from the way we elect our President to individual liberty they want to change much of it.

There is only one reason why modern Americans want gun control.

We already have plenty of gun control laws and as is the case with most of the shootings here, not one of them would have stopped anyone from committing this crime of murder. The refrain from Democrats is that “we need just one more new law” and when that law fails they are out there proposing “just one more new law”. At what point will some Democrat stand up and say that the gun rights of the American citizen has been infringed once too many times and we will not do such a thing any longer? I won’t hold my breath!

They don’t want a common sense interpretation of the 2nd Amendment

Just a few years ago we had that “common sense” interpretation from our Supreme Court and they ruled that it is the right of the individual American citizen to keep and bear arms with the common arms of the day.

Yes I live in Australia.

Well, that certainly explains things.

 

[TARRAT]

Given the evidence we have it is more likely that he said what you have proposed than the opposite. If Jesus said that his followers should not carry weapons then Peter would not have been carrying one.

Also on point is the fact that Jesus’ public ministry was approximately 3 years. Since it does not take 3 years to read any of the gospels it is safe to assume that a lot of what he taught is not written down in the gospels. Of course we as Catholics firmly believe not all of Jesus’ life is written in the gospels but is passed down through oral tradition. Add to that the fact that Jesus was aware of His mission from about the age of 12 (you know when He stayed back in His Father’s house when Mary and Joseph joined the caravan home) up until His public ministry began. Jesus taught a lot that was not written down anywhere.

 

[YourNameHere]

I believe all who use guns should have to go through a process similar to what one does to gain a driver’s license.
Call it what you will, but all gun users should have to be licensed. They need to take a course on gun safety.
This would help a lot.
Background checks to prevent people who have mental problems from gaining access to guns.
Close the gunshow loophole.
There are a lot of sensible things that could be done to make us all safer.

 

[pnewton]

Tracking guns, and gun owners, while allowing people to own guns for their personal safety would in no way prevent the legitimate use of weapons for self-defense. It would make solving homicides easier.

 

[Emeraldlady]

Tracking guns, and gun owners, while allowing people to own guns for their personal safety would in no way prevent the legitimate use of weapons for self-defense. It would make solving homicides easier.

And Switzerland profoundly demonstrates the success of a gun rich society to that end.

 

[Sarcelle]

People are empowered and embolden by having a gun. Even the weakest. Hence the culture of puny, awkward, boys shooting up schools.

It can go both ways to be honest.

Guns enable puny boys to shoot up schools but also enable women to be able to defend themselves from rapists and/or home invaders.